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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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11/14/16 03:19 AM
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Faithful 1 and Yates will post any irrelevant link and try to pass it off as evidence. I suppose they think by just using the url tags that somehow it puts an end to the argument.
Faithful 1's argument was that the media is liberal. This is an oft repeated myth by the right, never been proven with anything more substantial than anecdotal evidence. A bunch of right wingers watching the NBC Nightly news, hitting pause, then yelling, "Did you hear that? Right there! He said Bush never found the weapons of mass destruction. LIBERAL!". They'll post a link to some article written by one of these guys, and boom, evidence that the media is liberal. Hilarious. Never mind the fact that the media is almost entirely owned and increasingly consolidated by corporations. Not exactly a liberal bunch.
Yates posted evidence that people who voted for Trump previously voted for Obama, even though there is absolutely no way to prove this.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 03:32 AM
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Interesting that Trump is increasing defense spending, considering someone in here was saying Trump was anti-war. The buyer's remorse from anti-war libertarians has to be kicking in about now. I posted his short list for cabinet appointments, full of Wall Street people and Bush cronies. Draining the swamp? He just shoved a plug in the drain, and turned the same murky water back on. He's always said he wanted to increase defense spending. Increasing defense spending doesn't necessarily mean you want war, and while I don't think he's "anti war", he's just less pro war than Hillary. She's obviously very much an interventionist, as her record proves and it's why many neo cons were behind her. True, there's also neo cons coopting Trump's administration too. They're not going to go away that easily. They're hedging their bets, In hopes to influence policy.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 04:17 AM
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Faithful 1 and Yates will post any irrelevant link and try to pass it off as evidence. I suppose they think by just using the url tags that somehow it puts an end to the argument.
Faithful 1's argument was that the media is liberal. This is an oft repeated myth by the right, never been proven with anything more substantial than anecdotal evidence. A bunch of right wingers watching the NBC Nightly news, hitting pause, then yelling, "Did you hear that? Right there! He said Bush never found the weapons of mass destruction. LIBERAL!". They'll post a link to some article written by one of these guys, and boom, evidence that the media is liberal. Hilarious. Never mind the fact that the media is almost entirely owned and increasingly consolidated by corporations. Not exactly a liberal bunch.
Yates posted evidence that people who voted for Trump previously voted for Obama, even though there is absolutely no way to prove this. Facts and logic are clearly not your strong point. Here's Oak's argument for the non-existence of media bias: 1. Media bias does not exist. 2. I have not seen evidence for media bias. 3. Therefore, media bias does not exist. The hidden assumption is that he hasn't seen media bias because he avoids reading documentation of its existence. This is like saying 1. China does not exist. 2. I have never been to China. 3. Therefore it doesn't exist. Beautiful textbook examples of circular reasoning. SIDENOTE: Trump could build up the military while being anti-war by believing in "peace through strength." It's like the idea that it's better to have the weapons available and not need them rather than needing them and not having them.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 04:29 AM
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SCG,
Trying to argue that increasing defense spending doesn't equate to being pro war isn't an easy sell, is it? I don't envy you. Must be uncomfortable twisting up like a pretzel. It's such a simple concept, I'm sure a 5 year old could understand.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 04:44 AM
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Ah, come on, SCG. Be a good sport. You spent the last 6 months telling us Hillary was the neo-con in this election. Turns out Trump's short list of cabinet appointments is filled with neo-con Bush cronies, and he's increasing defense spending. When he "bombs the shit out of ISIS" his first day in office, probably resulting in 10 times the civilian casualties of Shock and Awe. What will you say then? He was just testing the weapons? None of that is a surprise. He's been talking about bombing ISIS. He does have neo cons around him. None of this is news. But it's very telling he didn't have full support from The neo cons. Not from the most evil William Kristol and his circle. Not from the Bush family. Hillary was just the first choice, she's a sure thing for these people. Trump ran as a populist so talking tough on ISIS helped him. He just doesn't sound interested in being enemies with Russia, and neo cons want to be enemies with almost everyone but Isreal. It's all a matter of degrees. Increasing defense spending still doesn't necessarily equal war. Very simple concept.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 04:24 PM
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The military is well funded. There is no reason for an increase,
You only say that because you have no idea how government bureaucracy works.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 06:09 PM
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http://loudwire.com/nofxs-fat-wreck-chords-selling-not-my-f-ing-president-shirts/ In a recent interview with CBC News, Fat Mike spoke about the fear he had of a Trump presidency. “I get panic attacks nightly. All my friends do too,” Mike said. “Because who had any idea this idiot would get as far as he did? … I think he’s a bigger a-hole [than Bush] but I don’t think he’ll be a worse president because no one takes him seriously. Democrats hate him, Republicans hate him, the military hates him. Just a bunch of racist, sexist rednecks love him.”
"Racist rednecks". This is the kind of stupidity we are dealing with from people opposing Trump's election.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/14/16 09:09 PM
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Faithful 1 and Yates will post any irrelevant link and try to pass it off as evidence. I suppose they think by just using the url tags that somehow it puts an end to the argument.
Faithful 1's argument was that the media is liberal. This is an oft repeated myth by the right, never been proven with anything more substantial than anecdotal evidence. A bunch of right wingers watching the NBC Nightly news, hitting pause, then yelling, "Did you hear that? Right there! He said Bush never found the weapons of mass destruction. LIBERAL!". They'll post a link to some article written by one of these guys, and boom, evidence that the media is liberal. Hilarious. Never mind the fact that the media is almost entirely owned and increasingly consolidated by corporations. Not exactly a liberal bunch.
Yates posted evidence that people who voted for Trump previously voted for Obama, even though there is absolutely no way to prove this. My argument was not every single Obama voter voted Trump this year. My argument was that quite a few people who voted for Obama in 2012, voted for Trump in 2016. That is a fact.
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Re: And now will be the Trump-apocalypse ...
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11/30/16 08:43 PM
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Well it's been fun to see the establishment's candidate go down in flames and watch the media snobs surprised reaction but to get realistic here even if Trump somehow did half of what he says he will do, our economy will not be much better off.
We're still due for a severe recession, and the timing for that is highly dependent on what the federal reserve decides to do with interest rates. How much influence will Trump have over what the Fed does is unknown. the Fed is supposed to be independent. And even if he does have any influence, there's no telling what he wants, as he's given mixed signals about the Fed and it's low interest rate policy, claiming they're being very political yet he's also said he likes low rates and would take advantage of them. Which indicates that he's ready to increase spending.
He's also promising to increase spending on defense and also domestic type spending to "create jobs" all while promising to cut taxes. Not good for our future.
All the trade deal talk and the protectionism isn't going to fix the the damage done by the Fed and may very well just do more harm. Deporting illegal immigrants will also have very little effect. http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/donald-trump-saves-1000-jobs-15345024/He is not even president and he saved 1000 jobs. Furthermore, the markets also reacted favorable to Trump. Saving jobs and saving the economy are two very different things. Short term markets reactions are irrelevant in the big picture. All the damage done of years of QE from The Fed has likely done an enormous amount of damage and there's no smooth way out of the hole they've dug us in. It's not Trump's fault, but I see no way he can avoid it. Postpone it like Obama did, maybe. But he isn't fixing it with trade deals. That's for sure.
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