I guess confusion would come if you choose to believe each has 30 active made guys. Not sure where you got that, furio. About a decade ago the feds had Chicago at 25-30 total members, as well as a little over 100 associates. A few members have died since then. 15-20 years ago Detroit was said to have 23-30 total members. As posted in the other thread, likely several of those have died since then. Though we can't know unless the feds release more recent figures for Detroit, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the amount of members remaining in Chicago is twice that of Detroit at this point.

Anyway, there has been considerably more discernible activity in Chicago, as seen through cases and news reports, than in Detroit since 2000. This despite the Outfit being said to be quite insular and disciplined. I guess they haven't figured out Detroit's secret either.