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Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: cookcounty] #893843
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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
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rapist and pedophiles almost always get light sentences

brock turner, john enochs, and austin wilkerson admitted rape and served no real time

there ain't no way in hell these cretins should be on the streets to rape again


It's not true that rapists and pedophiles almost always get light sentences. But maybe we can agree on this: too many do get light sentences. I absolutely agree with you that there's no way in Hell they should be walking the street. Put them away for no less than 30 years, even better, life. Yes, I'm all for pedophiles, rapists and murderers being put away for life. This does not include statutory rape where a teen and a young adult consent to sex.

I also believe that a big factor in someone getting a light sentence is the wealth of the defendant (pays for top lawyers) and fame (which usually overlaps with wealth). There's also times when sloppy police work ruined cases, like not running DNA tests, contaminated evidence, losing evidence, etc. And sometimes, as groups like The Innocence Project have shown, sometimes they put away the wrong guy due to incompetence or corruption. There are also times when a young woman falsely accuses her sex partner of rape because she changed her mind the next day. Some types of Third Wave Feminism actually encourage this.

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Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Faithful1] #893845
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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
There are also times when a young woman falsely accuses her sex partner of rape because she changed her mind the next day. Some types of Third Wave Feminism actually encourage this.


In what ways does feminism, "third wave" or otherwise, encourage false accusations of rape?


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Crash] #893905
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Another example of the injustice system. A 19-year-old raped a baby when he was 16 and put up a video on social media and only gets a 10-year suspended sentence. There better be some outrage.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-n...tumwa-Vile-Evil

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Faithful1] #893932
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Did feminism encourage that, too?


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Crash] #893933
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Are you butthurt because of what I wrote about third wave feminism? If you want the answers do a simple search. It's not my job to do your homework.

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Faithful1] #893938
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Why can't you just expand on the statement that you made?

You said feminism encourages reports of false rapes.

How so? Please explain. Why did you post it if you don't have the data to expand on it?


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Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Crash] #893949
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Because you rarely back up anything you write and I get tired of correcting every little factually incorrect claim that you make. I don't have that much time anymore and need to focus on other things. It's like having to explain that Lucky Luciano didn't create the Mafia to every new member every five minutes, or how forty mobsters weren't slain across the country in the wake of Salvatore Maranzano's death, or having to prove that the "Last Testament of Lucky Luciano" is a fraud. I wrote lengthy pieces on all this and the facts are out there.

Also, remember the internet is your friend and the information is available, usually for free. Instead of just looking at your own side to boost your pre-set beliefs, examine both sides (and other sides too). Try to put your SJW biases aside and consider the possibility that those with whom you disagree may have legitimate points. Open your mind to new possibilities. Don't automatically assume that because something doesn't fit with your current beliefs that it's wrong or false. Maybe it's your beliefs that need adjustment. Put truth ahead of politics. Now, I'll get back to living my life.

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Faithful1] #893950
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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I don't have that much time anymore


You found the time to claim that feminism encourages false accusations of rape. Find the time to back it up.

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It's like having to explain that Lucky Luciano didn't create the Mafia to every new member every five minutes, or how forty mobsters weren't slain across the country in the wake of Salvatore Maranzano's death, or having to prove that the "Last Testament of Lucky Luciano" is a fraud. I wrote lengthy pieces on all this and the facts are out there.


Huh?

Did I ever have a discussion about Lucky Luciano with you? Where did this come from?

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Now, I'll get back to living my life.


So, what were you doing when you made the unfounded claim that feminism encourages false rape accusations? Was that not part of your life?


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Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Faithful1] #893966
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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
Another example of the injustice system. A 19-year-old raped a baby when he was 16 and put up a video on social media and only gets a 10-year suspended sentence. There better be some outrage.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-n...tumwa-Vile-Evil


This is terrible. 10 years? and it's suspended?
The judge HAS to go.

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Crash] #894135
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Responding to the criticism, Gary Oldenburger, the county attorney for Wapello County, defended the sentence in a statement dated Thursday, presenting Mr. Grooms as the unwitting lackey of child pornographers who tricked him into the assault, as they had done to hundreds of other children.

By pretending to be a girl his age, then 16, the two men, one in New Orleans and one in Ireland, persuaded the teenager to perform sex acts he wouldn’t otherwise have done, Mr. Oldenburger said.

Mr. Grooms did not know he was being recorded, the prosecutor said in the statement.

He added that the child was uninjured, no pain was inflicted, and the child was too young to be aware of what was happening. Though the crime was no “less horrible because the child was too young to understand,” the lack of injury is an important factor in sentencing, he said.

Mr. Oldenburger said the case likely would have been dismissed had it gone to trial. The parents of the victim did not want Mr. Grooms to serve significant jail time and were more focused on him receiving treatment, he said.

The prosecutor also said that important witnesses were unwilling to testify, so the video might not have been admissible as evidence, making a trial more difficult.

He said a long sentence likely would have been overturned on appeal, with a quick parole. The 860 days he had already spent in jail would have counted toward his time served.

Mr. Oldenburger said psychologists did not believe Mr. Grooms was a high-risk candidate for committing more offenses.

“If Grooms was sent to prison for a long period of time rather than being sentenced to probation, he more than likely would be a greater risk to the community after his release than he will be after serving the sentence he received,” he said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/iowa-kraigen-grooms-sentence.html?_r=0

So the prosecutor asked for the light sentence. He claims that Kraigen Grooms was tricked into having sex with a 1-year-old baby by a pornographer. I would like to know how a 16-year-old can be tricked into raping a 1-year-old baby. If someone can explain it to me it would be appreciated because I don't understand it at all.

Re: Another Myth about Prison Sentences [Re: Faithful1] #894169
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F1,

Thanks for the update. "Child uninjured"? wow!!!Parents didn't want him to serve time? Leads me to think that he's related to the victim. Everybody involved needs to jump off a roof.

And the innocent child should be placed in foster care.

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