The Nigerians are the strongest in Africa and when you look at all the western Africans here in Europe you can imagine they have also a big influence on those communities.

it's marginal because they are involved only in street level stuff most of drugs are imported or produced by european groups, mostly italian, albanian and turks, moroccans are the biggest not-european importers it leaves to nigerians only a tiny part of that market, never heard they run large shipments, they usually move drugs through ovules put in mules stomach... even in drugs that is their main activity their role is are marginal
anyway if you don't believe it just ask other europeans here

the article just states that part of drugs pass through african ports, it doesn't mean that nigerians are always involved, a big part of drug of that route is run by italian or other european criminal groups

I completely agree with m2w on this topic.


Everyone has their own opinion which makes this whole topic very interesting,but when it comes to facts Nigerians can't compare to European groups,just take a look what happened to the Nigerian community back to 2008 when they tried to make big moves in Naples(Castel Volturno Massacre)

I'm not disputing that. The groups that formed what is Nigerian OC today, were oil business executives. The average Nigerian in America has at least one degree, so I'm sure the founders of Nigerian OC held MBAs and Doctorates.

This would influence the nature and scope of the crimes that the syndicates would get involved in.

As was also pointed out in this thread, Nigerians have a lot of cultural influence over people from other parts of Africa. Technically they would have a presence in every country where there are large groups of Africans. And their influence would be greater than their numbers.

Corsicans are still powerful, but lost influence because of the many murders, arrests and competition from the Arab gangs.

@M2w

We had this discussion years back and you overlooked or denied many sources I provided. So unless you want to make a thread with substantial sources that counter those reports, I'm done with this OP topic.

@ Strax

Do more research on Nigerian OC in Europe then come back to me.

i did reacerch on nigerans and i live in europe, you provided only a source (europol) and your source just said that part of the drugs pass through african ports and that nigerians are sometimes involved ... there are tons of sources that state 80% of cocaine is imported by italian mafia, hashish by moroccans and italian mafia, heroin by albanians and turks.weed is mostly produced in europe and meth in the netherlands, what's left to nigerians are only a little piece
as i said yo don't know enough of europe to talk about it

Note: Sources
It's plural.

sources? you provided only one... you also said nigerian oc are active in 70 countries, where are the sources?
i agree that nigerian oc is growing and it is the strongest in africa, they could be in a top 10 worlwide, but sire not on a top 3 or 5

M2W,

I came into this discussion late, but I agree with what you wrote about Nigerian OC not currently being one of the largest CO and why.

They don't grow or control the manufacturing of the big consumer drugs, and that there are CO groups decades or centuries older than them in the European countries that they operate in. Doesn't add up that they would supplant these groups.

Also, there doesn't exist a large enough demand on the continent of Africa for the consumer drugs that would generate enough money to boost profile or power of Nigerian groups.The demand is in US and Europe.

Nigeria is a hub for the movement of drugs. The country is by all accounts one of the most politically corrupt places on earth. Groups moving drugs/or contraband through the ports there will encounter little resistance or problems with law enforcement. That's an advantage that Nigerian groups have over other groups. 95% or more of the cargo will go through with no problems....not even token efforts by L.E.

This factor and others seem to indicate the pivotal role that Nigerian groups play in the drug trade. Everything I've read points to them becoming bigger players in drugs and other crimes in the future.

M2w

All European Countries, Russia, China, Japan, Australia, U.S, Canada, Brazil, plus more. Your 30+ years late on the "growing" notice.

Again, Start a thread for this discussion.

all europan countries? lol maybe all the western ones,i doubt there are nigerian oc in eastern europe, russia and balkans...
japan and china? i highly doubt it
you clearly hype them too much...
as ghettesenets said in the future thye could become very strong, but at the moment there are several crime groups stronger than nigerians one

Research more. It helps.

i did reaserches and i didn't find sources that state they are active in 70 countries as you claimed...and of course i'm talking something more that a drug dealer with ovules nabbed in airport of dealing drug on a corner street...

*Sipping Tea*
* Sees reply but no new thread*
* Goes back to the Tea with sources on hand*

@BlackFam; I was reading this and thought of you and this topic....


Johnny is the perfect exponent of the most effective and reliable criminal organization on the African continent: the Nigerian underworld. The Nigerian underworld is an international force that has grown out from its roots to the four corners of the earth. They are small-to medium-size groups with a familial, tribal basis, and the branches of their interests extend to many important open-air drug markets. It’s a mix of tradition and modernity, which has allowed the Nigerians to get a foot in all the African capitals north to south, and to spread beyond the continent,thanks in part to the experience they gained selling heroin in the 1980s—international flights loaded with mules, and when those weren’t enough, Nigerian traffickers recruited the flight crew. Then cocaine arrives, and the Nigerians throw themselves into the new business. Europe’s needs have to be met, and the Africans are ready. So ready that they start obtaining coke directly from the producing countries. Today their presence in Europe is huge, and they’re in great demand by the Colombian and Mexican narcos, as well as by the Italian mafias. One of the progenitors is Peter Christopher Onwumere. Before he was arrested in Brazil in 1997, Onwumere proved he was a real international narco. He negotiated, bought, organized transports, and raked in the cash. The Nigerians are phenomenal subcontractors, and they know...

An excerpt from ZeroZeroZero, Roberto Savianos book on cocaine.... Good read

An outfit is only going to be as strong as the government they have ingratiated themselves with, and no stronger than that government is itself.

Because Italy seems to be so anti-organized crime, that would eliminate any and all mainland Italian syndicates from the top of the list because not being in the favor of their home governments puts them on shaky ground.

I have read that Bolivian drug traffickers will not leave the borders of their country to transport drugs....because production of cocaine is (or was) legal...within their country. That makes their organizations pretty strong.

In another example, Canadian Cosa Nostra seems stronger than American Cosa Nostra at this time, due to the differences in the way crimes are prosecuted in the US versus Canada. In Canada things are easier for an outlaw, therefore they are probably stronger. What does it matter how many made men you have, how many guns you have, and how much money you make...if you are under indictment???

It really might come down to who has the blessing of their government and how strong their government is.

I would say the Caruana and Cun-trera mafias are right at the top.

I can't make a fair comparison of OC groups against one another world wide because I've never looked up the list. All I can do is put forward my formula for what makes an outfit truly "tough".

It's a futile question because there are many factors that make up a threat potential of organized crime groups. Some have even been put into a working formula, like the Slepnir Matrix, by law enforcement. But it's not tennis rankings.

It's debatable how anti-Mafia Italy really is, even if it's come along way, but the fact the Mafia there has thrived for so long, even if Italy has been very anti-Mafia, it should be self evident that your comment about the Italian groups isn't the case. They have been around for years and years and won't be going away anytime soon.

Meanwhile, one could argue there was even more corruption and instability in Colombia in the 1980s and 1990s. According to your theory, that should have enabled the Medellin and Cali cartels to last. But that wasn't the case.

@ Cabrini-Green



Someone's done their homework.

@ Ivy

Precisely.

I think if it wasn't for the immense pressure the US put on the Colombian government, they would've been around a lot longer that's for sure.

I think no one has mentioned the Hong Kong Triads 14k, Sun Yee On and the Wo group, with tens of thousands members. They have also big influence in Chinatowns all over the world.

italy is so anti-mafia that it couldn't wiped out mafia groups lol they are so strong that survived tons of indictments, there are anti-mafia blitzes almost daily in italy... i think only a dictatorship can defeat the mafia in fact mussolini weakened the mafia very much

i mentioned the triads they are sure on the top 5

Even Falcone praised Cesare Mori aka The Iron Prefect, for being the first man to successfully combat the Mafia.

Like i said before,in Italy you are guilty until its proven otherwise,so a lot of arrested in that blitzes get released.

People are afraid to buy property seized from the mafia,so its bought by the mafia and returned to the original owners as soon as they are released from prison.

under a doctatorship there are not regular trials mafiosi just are caught and imprisoned even without any valid proof... being italy a democratic country mafiosi are put under investigation but they got all the advantages, they have the best lawyers, they are often released before the sentence after 1 year in custody, on parole and all that shit

This is a shit thread because there are so many factors that go in that doesn't reflect other organized crime groups. But I think the Italian groups and Mexican cartels are currently the most powerful in their countries compared to other COs. I currently don't know much about other COs but the influence and reach o the Mexican cartels make them one of the top COs in the world. Especially the Sinaloa Cartel.

Can't argue with Sinaloa for number one, they actually appear to be in class by themselves right now....

The Solntsevskaya Brotherhood with about 10.000 members is also in the top.