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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
[Re: Faithful1]
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08/23/16 11:32 PM
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Since the 80s political scientists have pointed to the 'myth of the independent voter'. It's been covered in most basic college poli-sci texts since that time.
Most data seems to indicate that of the electorate, only 10-11% of self proclaimed independents are truly independent. This is from Pew, Gallup, ANES studies/polls. Most independents are 'leaners' that fall in along dem/GOP party lines, rivalling the support of self proclaimed partisans.
The number of people who are not registering as a member of a party is increasing, but truly independent voters are much rarer. shares the same root word as party for a reason. You have to belong to or support a party to be a partisan. Yes, the etemology of the word is not under dispute, certainly not by me. But people can and do call themselves independent and still consistently support a particular party, or specific ideology that aligns with a party. Calling yourself something and actually being that thing in practice and principle are different.
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
[Re: Faithful1]
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08/24/16 12:08 AM
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Democrats should just start openly recognizing "partisan independents" as a segment of the Republican base, not unlike the tea party, just for the fun of it. This is a perfect example of a flaming or trolling comment. It's not written to encourage conversation and reasonable debate, but to inflame. Not true at all. It was humor which targeted no other forum members, and there was certainly no intent of disrespect. I'm sorry you didn't like it.
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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08/24/16 12:22 AM
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Since the 80s political scientists have pointed to the 'myth of the independent voter'. It's been covered in most basic college poli-sci texts since that time.
Most data seems to indicate that of the electorate, only 10-11% of self proclaimed independents are truly independent. This is from Pew, Gallup, ANES studies/polls. Most independents are 'leaners' that fall in along dem/GOP party lines, rivalling the support of self proclaimed partisans.
The number of people who are not registering as a member of a party is increasing, but truly independent voters are much rarer. I can't believe that you don't think independents votes matter, in 1968 geo, Wallace pulled 10 million votes, 1n 1980 john Anderson got 11 millions votes, most who were disappointed in carter, but didn"t want to vote for Reagan, thereby helping Reagan gain the presidency. by taking votes away from carter, I did not say that independent's votes don't matter. What I said was many people claim to be independent. Of those that claim this, only about 10% actually vote independently. The remaining vote along consistently partisan lines.
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
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08/24/16 06:42 PM
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Well the actual target of that drone strike has never been named maybe it was the 16 year old boy his father Anwar al-Awlaki an American citizen was killed (some say justifiable some say not) 2 weeks before, both I will add happened in Yemin a country that we have never officially declares war
There is also Samir Khan an American citizen who was killed in Yemin
Where does the outrage start? When it is a republican and not when it is a democrat?
Or are you equally as critical of both administrations (as I am) dude, it was leaked to the media sometime ago that American citizens would be targeted overseas. I really think it was a Pentagon leak to desensitize everyone to what they were planning to do. President Obama has supposedly authorized drone strikes that have killed thousands. Two to three thousand or better. But he really can only trust what the Pentagon or his advisers tell him. They may be the only ones who really know why a drone strike has to occur. hi alfa, but don't you really think congress should have a little bit of say -so, when the military hawks start their bombing. Hey Binnie, I'm replying only now because I just noticed your reply for the first time. Only Congress can levy war, or at least that's the way it's supposed to work. But because the executive is charged with protecting the homeland, the President can launch attacks in defense of the country without having to wait for Congress to convene and come to a vote. That is very understandable. So the Boss gets a 60 day window to kill whoever they want as long as they can explain it to the Commission (Congress) after the fact. Naturally that freedom or power gets misapplied intentionally and unintentionally.
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
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08/24/16 06:50 PM
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I just don't see any good in sending thousands and thousands of troops in Syria, or Iraq, the wars over there may be the kind we can never win. is Hillary really that dumb. It's not about being dumb, it's about keeping the engine of the war industry running. And it's not only for profit, but also to test new weapons and to provide fresh troops with field experience. If you're a world power you can't sit still if you want to keep on top. That is why the U.S. is continuously involved in conflicts. Politicians like Hillary won't tell you this but it's the simple truth. Right on, Nicky Scarfo would agree.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
[Re: Faithful1]
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08/24/16 07:07 PM
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Democrats should just start openly recognizing "partisan independents" as a segment of the Republican base, not unlike the tea party, just for the fun of it. This is a perfect example of a flaming or trolling comment. It's not written to encourage conversation and reasonable debate, but to inflame. I disagree. The poster did not attack any other poster...unless of course you are partisan and identify with a party that was being criticized. 
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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08/24/16 11:51 PM
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Well the actual target of that drone strike has never been named maybe it was the 16 year old boy his father Anwar al-Awlaki an American citizen was killed (some say justifiable some say not) 2 weeks before, both I will add happened in Yemin a country that we have never officially declares war
There is also Samir Khan an American citizen who was killed in Yemin
Where does the outrage start? When it is a republican and not when it is a democrat?
Or are you equally as critical of both administrations (as I am) dude, it was leaked to the media sometime ago that American citizens would be targeted overseas. I really think it was a Pentagon leak to desensitize everyone to what they were planning to do. President Obama has supposedly authorized drone strikes that have killed thousands. Two to three thousand or better. But he really can only trust what the Pentagon or his advisers tell him. They may be the only ones who really know why a drone strike has to occur. hi alfa, but don't you really think congress should have a little bit of say -so, when the military hawks start their bombing. Hey Binnie, I'm replying only now because I just noticed your reply for the first time. Only Congress can levy war, or at least that's the way it's supposed to work. But because the executive is charged with protecting the homeland, the President can launch attacks in defense of the country without having to wait for Congress to convene and come to a vote. That is very understandable. So the Boss gets a 60 day window to kill whoever they want as long as they can explain it to the Commission (Congress) after the fact. Naturally that freedom or power gets misapplied intentionally and unintentionally. didn't we have at one time a war powers act ? I'm thinking if trump gets elected, who's to stop him, if his finger is on the button.?
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
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08/25/16 04:43 PM
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One of the many reasons that Trump's fallen so far behind in the polls there's actually talk of him dropping out. oak, don't you believe for one minute trump will drop out, by election time, hillarys baggage could do her in, believe it or not, more e mails to come. and god forbid a special prosecutor looking in to the Clinton foundation.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Why is Obama so Polarizing?
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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08/25/16 05:18 PM
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Democrats should just start openly recognizing "partisan independents" as a segment of the Republican base, not unlike the tea party, just for the fun of it. This is a perfect example of a flaming or trolling comment. It's not written to encourage conversation and reasonable debate, but to inflame. I disagree. The poster did not attack any other poster...unless of course you are partisan and identify with a party that was being criticized. You can disagree with the truth all you want
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