Poverty is the natural beginning state of the human condition.

So is being a caveman.

That was my point. Poverty is our natural starting point. Only certain conditions that we create could bring us out of that starting point.

The ruling class does not advance us.

Just don't forget the missing parts of that quote:

A large proportion of these unemployed and their dependents have been forced on the relief rolls. The burden on the Federal Government has grown with great rapidity. We have here a human as well as an economic problem. When humane considerations are concerned, Americans give them precedence. The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fibre. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able-bodied but destitute workers.


You can read that entire SOTU address here
http://www.albany.edu/faculty/gz580/his101/su35fdr.html

After that bit above the speech goes on to propose that those that cant care for themselves be cared for through social agencies, and for those that can work emergency public employment, both of which many consider filthy commie socialism.

the ruling class makes alot of money from people they don't help

programs that help people are designed to make the ruling class richer...it's business

It actually does explain what went wrong. When those who have the money refuse to distribute it, refuse to pay a tax rate that would sustain civilization, sabotage union efforts, the result is that poverty reaches catastrophic levels.

Putting food on the table of a family with no money is helping in a meaningful way.

Labor unions, thus, the Labor Relations Act, does help in a meaningful way. The pay and benefits of the average union worker in America significantly exceeds those of the average non union worker. It's the difference between middle class and poor for a lot of Americans.

Universal health care, which is what Obama fought for and what we're going to get under Hillary helps people in a meaningful way. Having an actual family physician that knows you, has your records on hand. No more going to the ER when the kids are sick. That is helping in a meaningful way. [ quote]

right on again oak.... a decent wage means everything....

how about trade schools for kids out of hi-school.....

devise something that puts young people to work, that would help getting them out of the gang culture. Roosevelt had ccc camps that helped millions of young guys, kennedy had the jobs corp. quit giving to wall street.

Obama care has made health insurance more expensive

No it hasn't. Having a primary physician drastically lowers medical bills in the long term. People without insurance, and thus a primary physician, go to the ER when they're sick or injured. That is the costliest way to seek health care, both short and long term, for the individuals and the tax payer.

Well said, Binnie.

When you take away all of the productive things for at risk children to do after school, the streets become the only option. The public high school that I went to was pretty much open every day from 6am to 7 or 8 at night. There was always something going on. Visual and Performing Arts Center (VAPAC...our school had a radio station), the library, academic and social clubs, sports practices/games, the basketball gym, which was open to the public on weekends, just to name a few. Our school was a safe place in the neighborhood. Now they whittle away at aftershool programs until the schools become ghost towns in the late afternoon, which is a pivotal time of day for a lot of teenagers.

You'll keep hearing about these stories because they're real and widespread. Everyone I know working in the private sector has been affected by higher payments, one way or another. My girlfriend works for Kaiser customer service and one of the main complaints has been people calling up complaining and asking why they're suddenly having to pay so much.

It isn't hard to understand that if you insure a bunch of sick people that it has to be paid for by somebody. It isn't free.

Yeah, well, taxpayers foot the bill one way or the other. You get that, right?

It isn't hard to understand that if you insure a bunch of sick people that it has to be paid for by somebody. It isn't free.

The free market run up in cost is one of the reasons why the PPACA got traction to begin with - first under a version endorsed by the Heritage Foundation and many Republicans, and afterwards as the version now in place.

http://healthcarereform.procon.org/sourc...l_americans.pdf

It will be payed for by employers.

Health care reform is a work in progress. Obamacare is the first phase. It's going to go more into the direction of single payer when Clinton's president.

The free market run up in cost is one of the reasons why the PPACA got traction to begin with - first under a version endorsed by the Heritage Foundation and many Republicans, and afterwards as the version now in place.

http://healthcarereform.procon.org/sourc...l_americans.pdf

The current system will collapse regardless of what anyone here has to say.

Reminds me of when Republicans swore that Obama would "collapse" our entire economy his first year in office.

American consumers figured out from the beginning that Obamacare wasn’t worth buying. Now insurance companies are wising up. Aetna is withdrawing from Obamacare exchanges in 11 states, following United Healthcare Group’s decision last April to leave 34 states. Which will be the next domino to fall?

In a well-functioning insurance market, such as for automobile accidents, insurance carriers craft countless plans to meet exactly the needs of millions of different individuals. Typically, only catastrophic unexpected events are covered, not the predictable oil changes. Automobile insurance is real insurance, and automobile owners as well as insurance companies eagerly participate.

Not so for Obamacare, which is not insurance at all. Under Obamacare annual physicals, which are predictable and routine, are covered without charge, but major surgery requires payment of a $6,000 to $12,000 deductible.