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Re: News [Re: getthesenets] #891009
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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
"Donald Trump’s proposal for the “extreme vetting” of immigrants has a long and controversial history, in which versions of the plan have been used during times of political and social upheaval to quell fear and agitation."

http://nypost.com/2016/08/16/trump-s-extreme-vetting-not-unprecedented-in-us-history/


History repeats itself. I put up a post recently asking people about the impact of the Immigration Act of 1924 on organized crime.

The "villains" were different then, but what Trump is proposing is along the lines of the rationale for the past laws.

*and before anybody says it, there were "terrorist attacks" pinned to members of the groups that were considered "undesirable" back then.


Trump only knows one speed, but if toned down the sideshow carnival stuff, there is a bit of truth to some of what he is proposing, but why start using logic now?





His advisers may have finally gotten through to him. Maybe Roger Ailes is making a difference. Maybe desperation is making him change his style. Maybe someone slapped him upside the head. Any of the above.

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F1,

A member here just wrote that Trump has about as much experience to be President as the "community organizer" Obama did.
Six months left of two term presidency , and people still repeat a misleading talking point from 2008 election.
Trump has to keep dumbing down his rhetoric to appeal to people like that. That's going to keep more serious voters from taking him seriously and I think he's beginning to take note of that.
He has to find the right balance.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
F1,

A member here just wrote that Trump has about as much experience to be President as the "community organizer" Obama did.
Six months left of two year term, and people still repeat a misleading talking point from 2008 election.
Trump has to keep dumbing down his rhetoric to appeal to people like that. That's going to keep more serious voters from taking him seriously and I think he's beginning to take note of that.
He has to find the right balance.


I don't know what member said that, but Obama had experience in the Illinois State Senate as well as being a law instructor. Even two years as a federal senator. (I know that you are aware of this, but maybe others aren't.) Beyond that, I think what most people call "common sense" would tell Trump that he shouldn't have used the ad hominem and loose rhetoric in the first place.

At least after this election people won't be screaming about "experience" anymore.

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John McLaughlin, Pioneering Pundit, Dies at 89

For 34 years, John McLaughlin never missed a taping of his Sunday morning political panel show, The McLaughlin Group. His streak came to an end on Sunday, when he felt too ill to come into the studio. On Tuesday morning, McLaughlin died at the age of 89.

After years working as a Jesuit priest and Nixon speechwriter, McLaughlin became a pioneering pundit-provocateur, creating his famously combative program in 1982. The McLaughlin Group became a staple in many American living rooms — particularly those occupied by nerdy children and their dads.

In 1984, McLaughlin likened his show’s mission to that of a diamond cutter.

“If he hits it at precisely the right angle, with precisely the right percussion or beat or thrust, that can explode into a brilliant illumination, and that is what we try to provide on the program.”


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/john-mclaughlin-pioneering-pundit-dies-at-89.html


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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
The prisoners there are actually treated well,


Held without any due process or release date? Yeah.

The fox guarding the hen house says the hens are treated well, too.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
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The prisoners there are actually treated well,


Held without any due process or release date? Yeah.

The fox guarding the hen house says the hens are treated well, too.


Nice to know that you consider the United States a fox and members of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State "hens." It explains a lot.

Due process is a constitutional right given to citizens of nationals that agree to the Geneva Conventions. Members of Al Qaeda and Islamic State do not hold to the Geneva Conventions so have all the rights given to enemy combatants. And in general, prisoners of war are held confined for the duration of the war. Last time I checked, Al Qaeda and the Islamic State are still at war against the USA.

If any of them were tried before military tribunals, would you even know about them? They could have all been given life sentences by the military as far as anyone knows. The problem is that you don't know anymore than what your Democratic talking points tell you.

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I use due process in a universal sense, not in a constitutional sense. Substitute the term "due process" with whatever you wish when referring to the apprehension and detention of people while not having demonstrated that they're a threat to anybody. There's many words that could be used to describe the treatment of such prisoners. "Well" would not be one of them.


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ha...ticle-1.2756043

Things we don't see that are everyday events on some parts of the world


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Originally Posted By: thedudeabides87
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ha...ticle-1.2756043

Things we don't see that are everyday events on some parts of the world


I saw that pic yesterday, happens in every war unfortunately. The innocent always suffer..

War is a horrible thing, anybody who doesn't agree with that isn't right in the head..


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I use due process in a universal sense, not in a constitutional sense. Substitute the term "due process" with whatever you wish when referring to the apprehension and detention of people while not having demonstrated that they're a threat to anybody. There's many words that could be used to describe the treatment of such prisoners. "Well" would not be one of them.


If "due process" is universal, then please show me the due process that exists in North Korea, Islamic State, Sudan, China, Laos, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. After all, if it's universal they must have it too, right?

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The fact that there are other countries that don't offer any sort of due process to prisoners doesn't make it right.


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Aren't we 'better' than the countries on that list?


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The fact that there are other countries that don't offer any sort of due process to prisoners doesn't make it right.


That's moving the goal posts and irrelevant to what I asked. You asserted "due process" is universal and failed to back up your claim.

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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
The fact that there are other countries that don't offer any sort of due process to prisoners doesn't make it right.


That's moving the goal posts and irrelevant to what I asked. You asserted "due process" is universal and failed to back up your claim.

Originally Posted By: helenwheels


Aren't we 'better' than the countries on that list?


If we're "better," the quality of being better suggests that due process rights are NOT universal. If they were universal then we would be equal to everyone else in this regard.

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Due process is an English term that I'm sure can be translated to every language somehow. So, yeah.


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Due process is an English term that I'm sure can be translated to every language somehow. So, yeah.


Yeah, I'm sure. Care to supply some evidence to back that up?

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Will do. Since I'm only fluent in the English language, you won't mind if you I use google's translator...

English - Due process.

Spanish - Debido al proceso

French - une procédure régulière

Swahili - mchakato kutokana

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Originally Posted By: Footreads

His old show had fantastic ratings. He left to start his own tv network he was always big on history. Just came out with a new book on history.

The only thing bad about beck was he loves Cruz.

On black history month you see very few of these guys in it.


Never remember watching his show I could have but I was much more liberal when I was younger I remember watching O'Reilley for a while now, my dad always watched him a lot.

He currently has #2 on NY Times nonfiction

It is sad you never hear about these great historical figures

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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
I use due process in a universal sense, not in a constitutional sense. Substitute the term "due process" with whatever you wish when referring to the apprehension and detention of people while not having demonstrated that they're a threat to anybody. There's many words that could be used to describe the treatment of such prisoners. "Well" would not be one of them.


Oak is consistent, if nothing else, as he takes the standard liberal approach of setting the US Constitution aside in favor of some delusional, left wing, human rights, "we are the world" philosophy.


Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
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You're simply confusing the due process clauses within the U.S. Constitution with the mere term, "due process".


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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the u.s. constitution was written hundreds of years ago

rules have to change in able to control society

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"We Are The World" is a great song, by the way. Quincy Jones put together the finest singers in the industry to create a timeless masterpiece. For some reason this song is always a punch line in debates about global, racial issues, etc. I never got that. I really enjoy the song and the stars that performed in it. Bob Dylan's in it. Bob Dylan! Did you know that? at 3:46.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw


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Originally Posted By: OakAsFan
Will do. Since I'm only fluent in the English language, you won't mind if you I use google's translator...

English - Due process.

Spanish - Debido al proceso

French - une procédure régulière

Swahili - mchakato kutokana


I'm not sure you are fluent in English since we were discussing the existence of the concept of due process, not the mere words. And you haven't written anything to show that the American concept of due process exists universally. Tal vez estas demasiado terco para admitir la verdad, y la verdad es que no sabes lo que estas hablando. If you don't know what that means I'm sure you can Google translate it.

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Perhaps it's because I never said the American concept of due process exists "universally"?


"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.0b1a044da130

Great news.. Can't believe anyone ever thought having for-profit prisons would be a good idea..

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Originally Posted By: RollinBones
Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.0b1a044da130

Great news.. Can't believe anyone ever thought having for-profit prisons would be a good idea..


effect of the decision on stock prices of private prison corporations

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/private...-use-2016-08-18

8/18/16

Corrections Corp. of America CXW, +8.59% shares dropped 35% to close at $17.57, after touching an intraday low of $13.04, on volume of nearly 40 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 810,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the lowest close for the stock since July 31, 2009, when it finished at $17.26, according to FactSet.

GEO Group Inc. GEO, +21.37% shares fell 40% to close at $19.51, after touching an intraday low of $16.26, on volume of more than 25 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 511,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the stock’s lowest close since April 10, 2012, when it finished at $19.50.

In after-hours activity Thursday, Corrections shares were up 6% at $18.64, and GEO shares advanced 4.8% to $20.33.

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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: RollinBones
Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...m=.0b1a044da130

Great news.. Can't believe anyone ever thought having for-profit prisons would be a good idea..


effect of the decision on stock prices of private prison corporations

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/private...-use-2016-08-18

8/18/16

Corrections Corp. of America CXW, +8.59% shares dropped 35% to close at $17.57, after touching an intraday low of $13.04, on volume of nearly 40 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 810,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the lowest close for the stock since July 31, 2009, when it finished at $17.26, according to FactSet.

GEO Group Inc. GEO, +21.37% shares fell 40% to close at $19.51, after touching an intraday low of $16.26, on volume of more than 25 million shares, compared with an average daily volume of 511,000 shares over the past 52 weeks. It was the stock’s lowest close since April 10, 2012, when it finished at $19.50.

In after-hours activity Thursday, Corrections shares were up 6% at $18.64, and GEO shares advanced 4.8% to $20.33.


It will be interesting to see the effects of this over the next few months, I could be wrong but I believe we are at an all time high currently wonder if/how this will cause a drop


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Former Fox News host Andrea Tantaros says in a lawsuit she was sexually harassed by former network chief Roger Ailes and other top executives. The New York Times reports Tantaros filed the suit Monday in Manhattan state Supreme Court. She says in the suit that the network "operates like a sex-fueled, Playboy mansion-like cult, steeped in intimidation, indecency and misogyny." Fox News said it doesn't comment on pending litigation. Tantaros' allegations began last winter when the network says she made up the claims because she breached her contract after writing a book without getting network clearance.


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Andrea Tantaros is a beautiful and smart woman. I haven't seen too much of her on Fox lately, specially in the segment, Outnumbered, where she sat on the first base seat position and she looked beautiful and was very spot on. The lawsuit must explain her absence.

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