Originally Posted By: CabriniGreen
Well again man, I got a cousin who went to jail at 13 for BLAZING AT THE POLICE, this was something when I was coming up was a regular thing, that doc wasn't lying police were petrified of going there....
You make kinda weird threads, I don't really understand what exactly you are trying to say....

When there is a deterioration of authority, an abundance of poverty, a lack of legitimate alternatives, and an expansive black market, these things you mention are what usually happens, as far as criminal groups competing with the government. What I don't understand, I mean, people die for their gangs everyday, take 25-30 years for their gang everyday. But gang leaders usually aren't in control of borders where billions in merchandise are moved annually. If this was the case guys, if they were assured their families would be taken care of, would certainly Die for their gang, boss whatever, people die every day for nothing lol

Chris Coke in Jamaica, ton of power, took the whole government to take him down, same with Escobar in Colombia, Riina in Sicily, it's a repeating thing if you actually really study this stuff. I don't really get why you make it a racial thing, when really it's money and fear. Most of what you see is what happens when the government fails to establish a monopoly on the use of power. And this happens over and over in the poorest nations who are more vulnerable.

It's like when people compare street gangs to mafia families, kinda silly comparison. Why don't you look at other cartels to compare the Mexican cartels to, like the calabrians? Much more apt comparison, Imo..."

I'm talking about the culture within the criminal groups in Mexico vs the U.S, Italy and maybe Colombia. I'm talking about the culture within Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel, both Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel have this paramilitary/police culture of shooting it out with the Mexican Army/Marines when their bosses or captains etc. are about to get captured. Sinaloa didn't do this nor the Cali or Medellin cartel, I'm talking about criminals openly shooting it out with the authorities/army like with Coke did in Jamaica where 80 of his soldiers died in open shootouts with the police. This type of suicide mentality rarely occurs in the U.S within gangs and even in other countries were organized crime groups are very powerful. How many people died for Escobar in a shootout with the police in effort to rescue him or Tito Riina. Mobsters in Italy weren't shooting it out in the open streets riding in bullet proof trucks shooting at each other and the authorities or even made an effort to rescue their bosses like Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel routinely does. Both Los Zetas and Gulf Cartel call the guys call their sicarios that shoot it out with army "escolatas suicidas" or suicide squads because they know they are going to die in their mission to rescue their boss. Being a victim of a murder while being in a gang doesn't necessarily they died for their gang. Because they didn't chose to die. Is like me comparing the murders of halcones "lookouts" by sicarios with the suicide squads of the Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas as being the same or at the same level. How you been to Mexico? If you have you will see the army and would shit your pants thinking the Gulf Cartel or Los Zetas go in shootouts with them.