It's different when you compare black gangs to EME and their influence over Surenos, as opposed to the cartels and their co-operation with EME that goes back to late 80s, if I'm not mistaken.

Different carnales always had ties to different cartels, some even went to Mexico to serve as bodyguards for powerful cartel members. However, back then, EME was the middleman between the street gangs and the cartels when it comes to drugs and guns. Come 2000s? The cartel members are moving into USA themselves, they take Surenos off the streets and train them to be killers for them. What I meant by giving their turfs to the cartels, I meant that the cartels deal with certain gangs themselves, or well, at least some of the members. Carnales still get their street tax and their word on the street still means something to the gangs, so basically the fact that cartels do the supplying personally means nothing. As I said before, it's a co-operation.