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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead [Re: TommyGambino] #884249
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I don't think the authorities would go out of the way to re-arrest Del Balso after Sollecito is killed for his own safety, if they thought this came from Arcadi, Del Balso is rumored to be a part of the Arcadi group. I still stand by my opinion that this isn't retaliation, but a removal of the old leaders. And if we're to believe those who could've stood in Arcadi's way are all dead or in jail, that's wrong. There are still parties who were allied with Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito who are on the street. And just to play advocate to the Arcadi angle. According to Nicaso and Peter Edwards, whom would know more about these things than we do, Arcadi was losing allies within the Montreal Mafia prior to his arrest after Operation Colisee because he was getting "too close" with the Calabrians.

But hey, we'll see.

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Originally Posted By: trophydave
wow. this hit probably paves the way for arcadi to take over. it seems like the people who threatened any attempts of him taking over are now either dead or in jail.

as for siderno group or Toronto clans and sonny can probably confirm this or speak on it, wasn't acradi "allegedly" behind the racco hit, I cant see acrcadi and Toronto getting along.


To be honest, my knowledge about Ontario is somewhat limited. I don't know much about this particular murder. However, seeing that it took place in 1983 I doubt that Arcadi was involved because he wasn't a big player back then. Not much is known about his activities prior to the 1990s other than him being linked to the Cotronis.

I'm sure that antimafia can provide many more details on this matter.

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I don't think the authorities would go out of the way to re-arrest Del Balso after Sollecito is killed for his own safety, if they thought this came from Arcadi, Del Balso is rumored to be a part of the Arcadi group.


As I remember, Del Balso was put into solitary confinement for his own safety right after the murder of Giordano. I may be wrong about this, but I haven't read any recent articles informing us about his current situation.


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I believe the musitanos were behind the hit on domenic racco

Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead [Re: Sonny_Black] #884260
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: trophydave
wow. this hit probably paves the way for arcadi to take over. it seems like the people who threatened any attempts of him taking over are now either dead or in jail.

as for siderno group or Toronto clans and sonny can probably confirm this or speak on it, wasn't acradi "allegedly" behind the racco hit, I cant see acrcadi and Toronto getting along.


To be honest, my knowledge about Ontario is somewhat limited. I don't know much about this particular murder. However, seeing that it took place in 1983 I doubt that Arcadi was involved because he wasn't a big player back then. Not much is known about his activities prior to the 1990s other than him being linked to the Cotronis.

I'm sure that antimafia can provide many more details on this matter.

Originally Posted By: SinatraClub
I don't think the authorities would go out of the way to re-arrest Del Balso after Sollecito is killed for his own safety, if they thought this came from Arcadi, Del Balso is rumored to be a part of the Arcadi group.


As I remember, Del Balso was put into solitary confinement for his own safety right after the murder of Giordano. I may be wrong about this, but I haven't read any recent articles informing us about his current situation.


I thought so too in regards to Del Balso, but I've seen at least two Canadian articles which say he wasn't reprimanded until after the Sollecito murder. Gonna try to see if I can find them..Never mind, both Del Balso and Arcadi were sent back to prison against their wishes after the Giordano murder, for their own safety.

And as far as Arcadis enemies being out of the way. That isn't true. As each of the other four guys who sat the "roundtable" with Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito are still alive and on the street.

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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead [Re: TommyGambino] #884278
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Yes both were sent back to prison after the Giordano hit, if they were in a halfway house Friday then it wasn't announced.

Agreed Sinatra. Will be interesting to see how they counter-attack whoever killed Stefano's father. I seriously doubt he goes along like nothing happened...

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sorry should have explained better the raco hit was the one in late 90s I believe. took place in front of a medical building. it was assumed rizzutos were behind it and it was speculated arcardi was seen with the alleged killer few days after.

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Originally Posted By: trophydave
sorry should have explained better the raco hit was the one in late 90s I believe. took place in front of a medical building. it was assumed rizzutos were behind it and it was speculated arcardi was seen with the alleged killer few days after.



Domenic Racco was killed in the early 80's, three weeks after Paul Volpe was hit. It was rumoured to be retaliation for that. But I don't know if that was ever proven. I don't know what murder you're referring to.




Don't ask me how I called this, but the following quotes are from a public discussion with me and a noted author, who writes about Canadian Organized Crime, and his last quote is from yesterday I believe...He once dismissed my theory as "what ifs", "maybes" and "perhaps" and said he didn't discuss those things because they weren't "cold hard facts". While they weren't "cold hard facts", he now shares pretty much the same exact opinion. I look forward to more discussion with him on the matter, as despite all this, his insight is truly invaluable..




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I'm not sure he did either, but if he did, I think he wouldve been comfortable with his son, and perhaps had planned on grooming him more, before his unforeseen passing. But I was just saying, from what we learned through Project MAGOT & MASTIF, as well as that passage, Leonardo stepped up to replace his father, and it appears that he had the backing of his fathers companions and those within the Milieu of Montreal.

I will say since the indictments of Leonardo Rizzuto & Stefano Sollecito, and the death of Lorenzo Giordano and the reported forced imprisonment of Frank Arcadi & Del Balso, it seems Rocco Sollecito is the one trying to keep things together. I found that article you posted on the RD very interesting where it says that Giordano may have been murdered for keeping crime profits for himself, Arcadi & Del Balso, something I've theorized since news of Giordano's murder broke. And where it says Rocco Sollecitos decisions from here on out will determine the future of the Sicilian clan and if they'll survive or not. I get the assumption from that article, and I could very well be wrong, but I just feel like with all the article said, the implication is that the hit may have come from Leonardo & Stefano and possibly his father, or atleast by their friends within the milieu (Montreal's underworld alliance). And that those loyal to them, maybe within the Montreal Mafia, or outside of it, perhaps maybe the bikers. This is just a theory.


Of course Nicolo Jr. would have been a natural choice, had he not been killed in December 2009.
With respect to Rocco Sollecito, I have the feeling that considering the recent events, particularly the arrest of his son, that it is against his will he has been called as you say : "to keep things together". I personally think that the man wants to stay away from the heat, given the fact that he is quite aware that he is under close scrutiny from police and parole board officials.

Of note, you allude to theories and the likes. I am not too found in arguing or discussing about theories, or the "may be", or the "perhaps", or the "it could be". I rather like discussing on true facts. :-)



Originally Posted By: "De Chaplain"
I have no ground to prove that, but I am in the opinion that Lorenzo Giordano was murdered on orders of Rocco Sollecito, last March. I think that at that time Sollecito was the eldest most senior member of the former Sicilian faction, until his death last Friday.



And remember when I said don't be surprised if a name like "Scoppa" pops up in future investigations as the new leaders of the Montreal Mafia?


Originally Posted By: "eurodave164"
For what it's worth and please take this with a grain of salt, apparently the Scopas, mainly Andrew are becoming more and more prevalent. They have alot of sway and contacts and practically low key besides the occasional mentioned by police.

They are know the have significant influence in the central part of the city, mainly mile end, park ex little Italy and surroundings.



As said though, take this with a grain of salt, as I don't know whom this guy is or how he gets his info. May even be Trophydave, lol. If it is, I ask , where'd you hear this from?


I now have two theories. My initial one, which is this is a civil war between the Rizzuto/Sollecito side and the Arcadi/Del Balso side. And what I'm referring to as "theory #2" and that's what I theorized earlier, and that's both sides are victims of "neutral parties" within the Montreal Mafia, who consider both the Rizzuto/Sollecito camp and the Arcadi/Del Balso camp, as the "old guard" and are eliminating them all to move up and claim leadership within the Montreal Mafia.


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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...x-siciliens.php


Latest update by Daniel Renaud.


What have I been saying about the Scoppas? Don't be surprised if their name begins to pop up in future articles and investigations in regards to leadership...I honestly was surprised by the mention of Desjardins and his possible role in this possible new leadership alliance. And I also find it interesting that Arcadi and Del Balso weren't mentioned at all in the article or having any involvement in the possible new leadership alliance. Maybe they really do represent the "old guard" and are on the hit list. I don't mean to pat myself on the back nor brag, that's truly not my thing. But I am honestly shocked how on the money I've been in regards to the Montreal Mafia and the leadership changes lately . Seems like my self education of the Montreal Mafia is paying off.

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Ahhh he is talking about the vincenzo raco hit. Not domenic racco. He was facing loan sharking charges at the time and i have read arcadi is a suspect in that hit too.

Don't think the domenic racco and Paul vvole hits are connected at all. Racco owed the musitanos a pile of money and they ran out of patience

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I'm not saying they were connected. I'm saying it was suspected that it was. Domenic Racco was supposedly heading the Siderno group at the time, I don't even know if the Musitanos were s factor back then. But theres a report of some construction guy who owed three brothers from a mafia family in the Niagra Falls area some money from like the early mid 80s, they never mentioned them by name, but I suspect it may have been the Musitanos. Anyway, back to Racco , there was an RCMP investigation going on at the time and they had wiretapped the phones at numerous places, including a funeral home which carried out Paul Volpes funeral. Apparently Eugene and Frank Volpe , along with there associates were heard on these taps planning Raccos murder, which occurred merely three weeks later. Its spoken about in James Dubro's book "Mob Rules: Inside The Canadian Mafia".


Got any links about this Vincenzo Racco. I can't find anything in regards to his killing.

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You won't find much but google it raco with one c not 2. Happened in 2005[spoiler][/spoiler]

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I'll post more info tomorrow when I have time but I think I've read a lot that says it was the musitanos. They were definitely a factor at the time. Tony was in prison for the firebombing extortions of Hamilton bakeries. And I believe he pled guilty to murder conspiracy as well as his nephew giuseppe avignone. Domenic pled to accessory after the fact
http://xxxorganizedcrime.com/crime-encyclopedia-r/

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Daniel Renaud from La Presse has been writing about them for years now since the days he was working for the Journal de Montreal.They are very influential and it was reported that they were allegedly involved in Nino De Bartolomeis abduction, he is the guy who got riddled with bullets not long ago.
One interesting thing about Daniel's recent article is that at least 4 of the names mentioned are Calabrians.

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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/05/30/un-leader-de-la-mafia-libere-meme-si-sa-vie-est-menacee

translation: Francesco Del Balso to be released from prison

Francesco Del Balso
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Monday, May 30, 2016 4:26 p.m.
Update Monday, May 30, 2016 4:26 p.m.
One of the survivors among the leaders of the Rizzuto clan will finally leave the prison where he was confined for his own safety, even though it may be "next on the execution list" of the Montreal Mafia.
Ironically, Francesco Del Balso heard the news Friday, the same day that Rocco Sollecito, the acting head of the mafia and faithful ally of the late godfather Vito Rizzuto, was killed at the wheel of his vehicle by a professional shooter who 'waiting inside of a bus shelter in Laval.
The decision of the National Parole Board (NPB), which the Journal has obtained a copy Monday is surprising, since it said it had received "information to the effect that (Del Balso) is next on the run list "of Italian organized crime.

His murdered partner
On February 9, Del Balso, 45, was transferred in a halfway house after serving two-thirds of the sentence of 15 years imprisonment which he scooped following Operation Colisée.

But he was sent behind bars less than a month later to ensure his own safety for a period of 60 days since March 1, his friend and partner in the higher echelons of the Rizzuto clan, Lorenzo Giordano, was shot in the parking lot of a Laval training center.
Giordano, another mafia leaders pinned in Operation Colisée, also had to be transferred in a halfway house after tasting the penitentiary.
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Del Balso challenged such suspension of his parole, arguing in particular that he had not violated any of the conditions for release that the authorities had imposed.
In its ruling Friday, the PBC recognizes that Del Balso has performed well outside the penitentiary, we have no complaints and that his risk of criminal recidivism is always evaluated to "low".
It concludes that in the absence of fault of the main person, the suspension of statutory release may be extended, according to the law governing corrections and conditional release.
He is not scared
Nicknamed "Chit" Del Balso had also pleaded before the Commission that his life is not in danger, without being able to explain how he could have that certainty. This statement left puzzled corrections.
Known for its temperamental bully, Del Balso was involved in "covering brigade 'debts clan Rizzuto, in bookmaking and drug trafficking, before his arrest by the RCMP in 2006.
He was particularly mentioned by the Charbonneau Commission, which issued a record dating back to 2004 when the mafioso threatened the phone a Quebec entrepreneur in these terms: "We would like that you not come (to Montreal) do work because the next time , you will not leave here. "
"Taking Back Control"
Released from prison for three months, the former interim head of the Montreal Mafia, Francesco Arcadi - including Del Balso was one of two top lieutenants with the late Lorenzo Giordano - was also forced back behind bars Friday following the murder of Rocco Sollecito.
Everything indicates that this administrative decision is also justified on security grounds.
In May 2015, Arcadi and his henchmen had advised the Montreal mafia leaders that they intended to "take control" of their business out of the penitentiary.

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http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...is-close-friend

Another related article on F.Del Balso release from prison

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Apparently the authorities know that his name is on the hit list .

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Originally Posted By: Ciment
Daniel Renaud from La Presse has been writing about them for years now since the days he was working for the Journal de Montreal.They are very influential and it was reported that they were allegedly involved in Nino De Bartolomeis abduction, he is the guy who got riddled with bullets not long ago.
One interesting thing about Daniel's recent article is that at least 4 of the names mentioned are Calabrians.


Nino de Bartolomeis was abducted by Giuseppe De Vito's people and he managed to escape.


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Another article with no much new info, but it shows some of the players involved. It is a French article though.

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2016/05/30/un-leader-de-la-mafia-libere-meme-si-sa-vie-est-menacee

I haven't figured out yet if Arcadi was out or not. The news story I read and posted here said Arcadi was put on a hold after Giordano was killed as was Del Balso. It seems they kept Del Balso but released Arcadi after 48 hours. If that is true, then in my mind it changes everything about the Sollecito hit.

As I said before and I still believe it, that when the "big 3" get out (Arcadi, Del Balso, and Giordano) that it would change the whole dynamic and we would see if they were still on the Rizzuto's good side or bad. I'm still confused though....LMAO.

IF Arcadi was out, did he ok the hit on Rocco? Is he still hoping to get the "old guard" like we've said before back in power or is he trying to take over and the young guard not liking it?

To me, at this point, I think Arcadi is trying to take over and Rocco let him know real quick that, that was NOT happening. So who knows at this point. lol panic

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Sorry for the confusion
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I re-read again the news articles and I am correct. A DeVito associate DeGregorio was trying to convince DeBartolomeis to pay up a debt owed to another party that was charged for the kidnapping.

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Originally Posted By: Ciment
I re-read again the news articles and I am correct. A DeVito associate DeGregorio was trying to convince DeBartolomeis to pay up a debt owed to another party that was charged for the kidnapping.


http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...-a-la-mafia.php

In 2008, De Bartolomeis was kidnapped for a debt deal by a group of individuals, including Salvatore Scoppa and Dany De Gregorio, one of his former associates, himself the victim of an attempted murder in June 2009. But from Bartolomeis, who had spent a whole night tied to a chair, burned his bonds and stole a gun from his captors before escaping.


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Your language doesn't change the fact that Daniel De Gregorio, who was also involved, belonged to Giuseppe De Vito's crew. As a matter of fact De Gregorio was godfather to De Vito's daughters. Furthermore, it is stated in the book Mafia Inc. that Scoppa was also close to De Vito during that time.


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Originally Posted By: Ciment
Excuse me but I did mention DeGregorio being a Devito associate being involved in one of the previous statements. I don't get your point.
Point out to me in the statements that I made where it is not factual?
You also purposing leave out the fact that Salvatore Scoppa took the blame for the kidnapping and I know that the Scoppa's and the Devito are allies that is why I mentioned DeGregorio was trying to get the money from DeBartolomeis for the Scoppa's.


I thought that you were responding to Mick2010's post about the Musitanos and that you were implying that they were behind the abduction of Nino De Bartolomeis.

I did not leave out anything on purpose. As you see I posted the link to the article. I only quoted the part that states that De Gregorio was directly involved in the abduction.


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Okay Sonny that makes sense. For a moment I thought it was me not explaining myself correctly.LOL

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But uhm yea, like I said, I did say look out for the Scoppas in future news articles and future investigations in regards to new leadership. Yes you can say articles were mentioning them in 2012, but none of them were calling them them the bosses at any point. And I mentioned them at a time when literally not anyone else was. And then they pop up in Daniel Renaud's article as being a possible contributor in this recent bloodshed and apart of a possible new leadership alliance. I'm just saying, its fun when your theories prove to have some actual merit and standing.

And them being a part of De Vito's former group, and Desjardins being mentioned as a possible part of possible new leadership alliance as well, its got me thinking if this is all the doing of remnants of Giuseppe De Vito's group. Which Desjardins was also extremely close to, and attributes his initial rise in the underworld to, I believe. That would connect a lot of dots. People are questioning the involvement of the bikers in all of this, as them being used as hitmen. De Vito was also extremely close to the biker groups and was often mistaken as one. I assume by affiliation it'd be somewhat more easy for his old associates to make connections with them and keep them at ease and even use them for their benefit. Here I go just letting my mind run wild again. Forgive me.

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Daniel Renaud has mentioned them several times in past articles and he has refered to them as being the head of their own clan according to police sources.
If your definition of boss is what Vito Rizzuto was, then no one is a boss at this moment because ever since Vito Rizzuto went to jail no one thus far has been able to take real control and be boss. There has been numerous attempts but they all failed. The Montreal mafia is fractured having heads of different clans trying to overpower the other.This is my version of events.

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Where'd I say anything about a boss?? I said leadership alliance. Which various articles mention as being the actual case since Vito died. The prosecution of Project MAGOT & Project MASTIF has evidence that there is some sort of 'ruling by committee' thing going on with Stefano Sollecito & Leonardo Rizzuto being co-bosses. Articles for the past four years have all mentioned a leadership roundtable consisting of at least six men, the Scoppas weren't mentioned in any of them as being apart of said roundtable. What I said was, don't be surprised if their name comes up regarding new leadership. And I suspected that they'd possibly be apart of whatever new leadership roundtable comes to exist following the end of all of this. Which is exactly what Renaud theorized in his very first update post the murder of Rocco Sollecito. He suspected that this murder would be the one to end the bloodshed, from what his "sources" relayed to him. He then proceeded to list names that his "sources" told him may possibly head this new leadership round table, the Scoppas was the second name mentioned after Desjardins, giving a little credence to the theory that they would be apart of said leadership roundtable and would simply be among those who benefit from the removal of those who represented the supposed "old guard". Which I believe consists of The Sollecitos , the Rizzutos, Arcadi, Del Balso , and Giordano. That is my version of events. And all I was simply saying is that its cool to see that someone like Renaud shares a similar theory. Which he's implied through all his updates. Whether it's the Scoppas being passed to him by his sources as one of the possible heads of the ruling committee, or him believing that the prison authorities have information which supports Frank Del Balso being next on the hit list, thus they're hesitation to release him from custody. As said, this is all theories, which I have two that I actually support and have always supported.

The first being that this is a civil war between the Rizzuto/Sollecito camp and the Arcadi/Del Balso camp. Which I've been stating since the day Giordano was killed. And theory number two, which is that both of those sides are being targeted , by the remnants of an old group. I don't believe its every man for himself. I believe certain factions are aligned, and others are being targeted, those being targeted, I believe were the former co-bosses and Arcadi and Del Balso. As they really represent the last ties to the Rizzuto era. Those are my theories. I called a few of these things in the past, like Rocco Sollecito still being involved, and possibly being among those who ordered the murder of Giordano along with his son and Leonardo Rizzuto. While others were saying he was staying away from all of this and didn't want the heat. But stating these things makes one come off as obnoxious , so I won't make these reminders anymore.


But the whole thing with the Scoppas , they weren't being talked about on any of the forums since Sollecito was killed, everyone was pushing this retaliation agenda, of Sollecito being killed on Arcadis orders for the killing of Giordano. And all I said was, maybe it isn't a civil war at all, maybe all of these guys represent the old guard, and maybe the remnants of an old crew has made new connections, and alliances or reinforced old ones. And finally felt comfortable enough to make their move on all of these guys. I'm sure you noticed that its only the big names who had tight ties to Rizzuto and was his top lieutenants who are being killed, whether they're Sicilian or Calabrian. They all have one thing in common. They were Vito's lieutenants, the guys he left behind to succeed him when he was extradited. Now maybe , just maybe all Stefano , Leonardo, Rocco, Arcadi, Giordano, and Del Balso were all on the same team, maybe the others who were reportedly among the roundtable with the Sollecitos and Rizzuto didn't like the possibility of being pushed out. Maybe they made new alliances with the Scoppas, maybe Desjardins, and decided to go after the "old guard". And the two most recent murders are examples of that. When you're theorizing all these things , its just neat to see some of the names you mentioned as possibly rising to the top , mentioned in articles by acclaimed writers as actually possibly rising to the top, and your theory being supported through these articles as well . I've seen Renaud's articles as well as those from others, which are suggesting that the murders of Giordano and Sollecito as being the official end of the Rizzuto era and their run, and those linked to them, at the top. It just adds some credence to the theories that have been discussed by others and myself. That is all.

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The last paragraph from your last message clarifies it all. I understand how you arrived at that conclusion. I respect that arguement.

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Daniel Renaud has mentioned them several times in past articles and he has refered to them as being the head of their own clan according to police sources.
If your definition of boss is what Vito Rizzuto was, then no one is a boss at this moment because ever since Vito Rizzuto went to jail no one thus far has been able to take real control and be boss. There has been numerous attempts but they all failed. The Montreal mafia is fractured having heads of different clans trying to overpower the other.This is my version of events.


Agreed.


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I don't know anything about what's going on up there being I'm from jersey but these guys are the real deal. They make American CN look like the minor leagues. They talk less and shoot more. Crazy. This shit would never go down out here in this day and age. I don't condone it but you gotta give these guys their respect. They live the life to the fullest extent. No half stepping.

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