Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
Ivy for me like Persico, Amuso will be the official boss until he die, but if Crea isnt the official boss for sure is the facto or street boss.
What do you think Ivy if not Crea who's the day to day boss ?


We know Crea isn't the official boss. The feds and Capeci have said Amuso is. Crea apparently does run things day to day.

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
This has been discussed ad nauseum. Peter Gotti is boss in name only. Capeci said as much. But Amuso still has clout and is not just a figurehead. Now does that mean he has total control or, say, the influence of Chin when he was in prison? Not necessarily. That some in the family reportedly suggested he step down is telling. But so far that hasn't happened. 90% of the thinking Crea is the "real boss" on these boards comes from a few posters offering that as their opinion and the assumption made by many that Amuso has no loyalists.
who are amuso loyalists ivy ?? As far as I'm aware those Brooklyn guys who tried to kill crea have been shelved , also John castelucci the capo in Brooklyn is creas guy , surely if amuso still had juice on the street he would have his guys in key positions


I don't know who Amuso uses to carry out his orders. Though, as overall boss, Crea himself would be one of those. But that's just it. I really don't need to know to believe Amuso is still on top. As I said above, the feds and Capeci saying he's the boss and there still being examples of him giving orders from prison is sufficient enough to show he's not just boss in name only.

Here's that Gang Land excerpt about Amuso from a while back. To me it holds far more weight than assumptions and theories made by some people on the forums who think they can read the tea leaves better from behind their computers.


The closest thing to an official confirmation about Amuso's status came in April from the testimony by FBI agent Kenneth Terracciano at the racketeering trial of Luchese mobster Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. in Camden Federal Court. Terracciano, a Newark-based G-man, offered a simple declarative sentence on the matter: Amuso, he said, "is the boss of the Luchese family."

That claim has since been bolstered by several well-placed law enforcement and underworld sources, all of whom agree that Vic is still on top.

Not only is he still running the show, Amuso has no intention of giving up his post until he leaves the custody of the federal Bureau of Prisons, "one way or the other," said one law enforcement official. Sources say Amuso's mindset is the same as two contemporary mob bosses who died in prison, John Gotti and Vincent (Chin) Gigante, as well as Colombo boss Carmine (Junior) Persico, who's been incarcerated since 1984.

"By now," added the official, whom we'll identify as LEO#1 (Law Enforcement Official #1), "Vic knows he's not walking out; he's getting out in a body bag."

"There is no doubt, Vic is the man, end of story," agreed a second longtime mob buster who's been making cases against New York wiseguys for more than 20 years. "Vic has always been the (Luchese) boss," said LEO#2.

The longtime mob buster, as well as a third official, LEO#3, noted that when Amuso's wife Barbara died two years ago, it was "standing room only" at the one-day wake at the James Romanelli-Stephen Funeral Home on Rockaway Boulevard in Ozone Park on March 2, 2012. Mrs. Amuso, 69, was laid to rest the following day at St. Charles Cemetery in Farmingdale.

Barbara Amuso, who was a vocal supporter of her husband at trial, and who got into a shouting match with prosecutor Charles Rose outside the courtroom after her husband was sentenced to life for ordering nine mob murders and numerous other crimes, died on February 29, 2012 — six days after Gang Land's faux pas that her husband had stepped down.

"Amuso sent out word that he wanted everyone to show up, and the place was packed," said LEO#2. "The Lucheses showed up en masse," added LEO#3, who noted that a "sprinkling" of Gambinos from the Howard Beach, Queens area, where both Gotti and Amuso lived, also paid their respects.

Sources say that like virtually the entire crime family, Crea, the Bronx-based former boxer who owned construction companies and made millions of dollars though bid-rigging, price-fixing and kickback schemes involving construction industry union officials, and Madonna, attended the wake.

All of that jibes with what one underworld source (call him UW#1) told us: "Vic is still in the chair, still running the show," he said. "They (Luchese mobsters) don't like the fact that he's still calling the shots, but he's not giving it up. He's the boss," said the mob associate, a longtime cohort of the Luchese and Bonanno crime families.

It all makes sense to former FBI supervisor George Gabriel, who spearheaded the investigation that ended with John Gotti being sentenced to life in prison.

Gabriel, who was on the FBI team that scooped up turncoat acting Luchese boss Alfonso (Little Al) D'Arco two months after Amuso was arrested, told Gang Land he is not surprised that Amuso is holding on to his official title. D'Arco later was the key witness against his old mob boss at trial.

"Amuso and John Gotti are both cut from the same cloth, or similar cloth," said Gabriel.

"They both have the kind of ego that wouldn't let them walk away from being the boss of the family even though the rules of Cosa Nostra dictate that they should step down when they get life incarceration, or even a very long sentence for the good of the crime family," said Gabriel.

"And Vic knows, like John knew, that if you give it up, not only are you out of sight, you're out of mind," said Gabriel. "The only way to insure that their own family is taken care of is to hold onto the reins of the crime family, and maintain the access to the crime family's money."

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