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Felix Alderisio #878426
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Looking for information on Felix Alderisio and his "underdogs" of his Chicago era. Photos, stories, names, locations....anything and everything!!

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he was a heavy hitter killed up to 20 men was the day to day boss in late 60s till he want prison died of a heart attack in prison when he was jogging . type in his name in google and his photos will come up there plenty of them Also as ask my friend Toodoped he guy to ask on the CHICAGO OUTFIT grin

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In "Mob Cop" it is claimed that Phil died of that heartattack because his girlfriend told him she was going to marry Sam Cesario, another outfit guy. He then started to run around the prison yard in a furious pace and eventually dropped dead.

Dont know if its true, but its a fact that Sam Cesario was hit after Phil died, because of his affair with the mobsters girlfriend.

According to Bill Roemer Phil was very into old ruins and could spend hours photographing them on his buiness trips (narcotics) to Europe. On one occassion (I think it was at the old Armory Lounge) Sam Giancana was heard telling Phil to "stop talking about them goddamn ruins"

He had a large crew with guys primarly from the Grand Avenue section who did pretty much of the heavy work at the time and before he teamed with Chuck Nicoletti I believe he was working close with Obbie Frabotta.

He also was an early mentor of Tony Spilotro.

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Alderisio was brought in the Outfit by his alleged cousin Louie Fratto. Later he and his long time companion Nicoletti served to Battaglia and Giancana untill the mid 1960's. When Battaglia became boss, Alderisio was his second in command. He had operations all around Chicago, including Melrose Park, Cicero, the North Side, etc. and was also a liaison between the Chicago Outfit and the Milwaukee mob.

Battaglia had control over Alderisio, Marshall Caifano, Chuck Nicoletti,Rocco Pranno and maybe Willie Daddano. Battaglia's crew was like a seperate Outfit. Besides being the boss, Battaglia also had his own crew, same as Alderisio, Daddano and Pranno. For example, Alderisio had control over Albert Frabotta, Leonard Gianola, Irwin Weiner,Leo Rugendorf. When Battaglia and some of the guys went to jail, Alderisio took charge of whats left of the group.


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Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #878488
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I don't know, I think Alderisio broke off from Battaglia at some point. I've read some files that indicate that he reported to no one except Giancana and had a piece of several different territories. Although, I guess since Battaglia took over as underboss once Ferraro died Alderisio was technically under him for a couple of years.

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Snakes is absolutely right, and my opinion is also that the Battaglia/Alderisio connection ran the Outfit for a period of two or three years. As additional info, by 1967 Pranno, Daddano, Caifano and Battaglia went to jail, then Alderisio took over and when he also went to jail in 1969, Nicoletti was the last one of the group who took over the rackets, mainly in the Melrose Park area, and also took over Alderisio's crew, which later became the Grand Avenue crew, Lombardo, Spilotro, Eboli etc.


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Phil is by far one of the more interesting guys in the Outfit. He was originally from Yonkers I believe and I had the impression his father was connected. He was used frequently by Accardo and Ricca to troubleshoot problems in other crews and territories and even helped settle the ongoing issues between James Cataura and Frank LaPorte on the soutshide.

I wonder whatever happened to Phil's son "Dominic" who I believe was Lombardo's partner in starting that plastic business with Danny Seifert in Bensenville. He basically disappeared after he was cut from that trial.

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Phil beat the shit out of one guy for crying to Tony Accardo about getting a boxer he managed stolen out from under him. Can't remember the guys name but he ran off to the feds afterwards which of course pissed Phil off even more. He eventually refused to testify or perjured himself or something. The whole story is in Roemer's book as well as Don Herion's.


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Maybe Snakes or ChiTown or other members from the board can help me with solving this "puzzle"...allegedly this is the crew which was led by Battaglia and Alderisio, but its not 100% accurate because some members might be in the worng places and also some might be missing or even some might be dead by that time period which is 1956/1967

Battaglia’s/Alderisio’s Outfit or the Melrose Park crew with operations in Melrose Park, Schiller Park, Bellwood, Franklin Park, Stone Park, Northlake and also in Gary and Hammond, Indiana and Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Alderisio alone had operations all around Chicago, including Cicero, Near South Side and the North Side.

Boss: Sam Battaglia

Crew leader: Phil Alderisio

Street lieutenants: Charles Nicoletti, Rocco Pranno, Marshall Caifano, and possibly Willie Daddano

Members under Battaglia (Melrose Park, Schiller Park, Bellwood, Franklin Park): Salvatore Rocco, Joe Rocco, Joe Battaglia, John Tarrara, Anthony Padavonia, Pasquale Clementi (also worked with Daddano), Rocco DeGrazia, Sam Ariola, Guy Cervone and Louis Eboli

Members under Alderisio: Albert Frabotta (previously worked for Caifano), Leonard Gianola, Leo Rugendorf, Irwin Weiner, Americo DiPietto, Joey Lombardo, Sam Cesario?

Members under Pranno (Stone Park, Northlake): Albert Pranno, Joe Amabile, Nick Palermo, Tony Perotti,

Members under Caifano (operations on the North Side, Melrose Park and Near South Side): Vincent Inserro?, Tony Gallos, Dom Donato, Alva Rodgers, Willie Aloisio?, John Cimitile?

Members under Nicoletti (Melrose Park,northern Indiana): DeStefano borthers, Joe Scaramuzzo, Tony Spilotro (also worked with Alderisio), Sam Rosa, Frank Zizzo

Members under Daddano (Kane, DuPage, Kendall, and Will counties): Joe Amato, Johnny Varelli, Guy Mendola, John D’Argento, Frank DeLegge, Gerald Scarpelli, Tony Borsellino, Morris Saletko


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Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Phil beat the shit out of one guy for crying to Tony Accardo about getting a boxer he managed stolen out from under him. Can't remember the guys name but he ran off to the feds afterwards which of course pissed Phil off even more. He eventually refused to testify or perjured himself or something. The whole story is in Roemer's book as well as Don Herion's.


That is Bernie Glickman.

Re: Felix Alderisio [Re: Amys] #878554
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Here's the way I understood it to be, although it's still fairly murky to me. The late fifties and early sixties were fairly difficult to decipher, organizationally and structurally:

Battaglia: Boss of the western suburbs. Pranno, Amabile, DeGrazia, etc. reported to him. Pranno definitely ran Stone Park and reported to Battaglia.

Alderisio: Boss level by a certain point in the mid to late sixties, mainly focused on the Grand Avenue area (a sort of buffer zone between Buccieri's and Cerone's traditional territory), the Loop, and certain parts of the North Side.

Nicoletti: Kind of the same boat as Alderisio, he was headquartered in the Garfield Park area, a little west of where Alderisio operated, and later shared Melrose Park with Aiuppa once Battaglia and his top guys went to prison.

Daddano: Boss of Lake County. Sent Joe Amato to McHenry County to run that territory (or maybe he sent him to Lake County from McHenry - can't recall off the top of my head). I don't think he reported directly to Battaglia.

Caifano was a guy who had some spots on the North Side but I'm not 100% sure if he was under Alderisio or not. Considering his role in the Grand Avenue crew when he got out of prison the first time he may have been, but I'm honestly not sure.

Willie Aloisio had a chunk of territory west of the Chicago River between Belmont and Bloomingdale. I am not sure who he reported to but it very well could have been Battaglia.

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Above all of them was Paul ricca And Tony Accardo as you know but i Also think Jackie Cerone was more powerful then some guys think as he was also close to paul and tony smile

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Originally Posted By: Snakes
Here's the way I understood it to be, although it's still fairly murky to me. The late fifties and early sixties were fairly difficult to decipher, organizationally and structurally:

Battaglia: Boss of the western suburbs. Pranno, Amabile, DeGrazia, etc. reported to him. Pranno definitely ran Stone Park and reported to Battaglia.

Alderisio: Boss level by a certain point in the mid to late sixties, mainly focused on the Grand Avenue area (a sort of buffer zone between Buccieri's and Cerone's traditional territory), the Loop, and certain parts of the North Side.

Nicoletti: Kind of the same boat as Alderisio, he was headquartered in the Garfield Park area, a little west of where Alderisio operated, and later shared Melrose Park with Aiuppa once Battaglia and his top guys went to prison.

Daddano: Boss of Lake County. Sent Joe Amato to McHenry County to run that territory (or maybe he sent him to Lake County from McHenry - can't recall off the top of my head). I don't think he reported directly to Battaglia.

Caifano was a guy who had some spots on the North Side but I'm not 100% sure if he was under Alderisio or not. Considering his role in the Grand Avenue crew when he got out of prison the first time he may have been, but I'm honestly not sure.

Willie Aloisio had a chunk of territory west of the Chicago River between Belmont and Bloomingdale. I am not sure who he reported to but it very well could have been Battaglia.


You're right about that, meaning that particular time period is quite complicated. And i also agree with you that Daddano didnt report directly to Battaglia

As additional info on Alderisio, he also had operations on the South Side with Ralph Pierce. He allegedly pushed out Ferriola from the deal. Looks like Alderisio didnt like Ferriola much. In fact he had conflicts with many mobsters, including Caifano. Caifano's life story after his return from Vegas is quite sad. First he was pushed out by Alderisio and Frabotta in one operation, which became a huge problem. Battaglia couldnt solve it and Giancana turned his head on purpose because he also hated Caifano. I also think that Caifano took few beatings, in one which they almost killed him but im not 100% sure. And on top of that, Giancana was f*cking his beautiful wife, which made things even worse.


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Caifano done big time in jail in the 60s like tens years then when he come out in the 70s for a bit then done a next 10 years I heard he had a fight with a guy who took his photo and come off worse off. He was a Boxer but was a small guy but was Real killer with a gun smile

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Thank you.....Looks like im getting some feedback!!

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Can you elaborate on the "Trial" Im unfamiliar with it?

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Here's a chart I made a few years ago that attempts to portray the organizational structure of the Outfit in the sixties. Sorry for the watermark, but I see too many of these things pop up in other places for me not to at least be credited in some way. The image can be enlarged by right-clicking it and choosing "open in new tab" or "view image", depending on your browser:


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This is a good chart that accurately depicts the organizational structure of the Outfit. It is really difficult to say for sure how the Outfit functioned because they were different from other criminal organizations.

But this is, I believe, how the basic structure operated. There was a Chairman, Paul Ricca, Vice Chairman, Tony Accardo, Street Boss, Sam Giancana.. There were others like Murray Humphreys and Gus Alex, just to mention a couple, who had great influence with everyone but their etnenicity prevented them from ever becoming a Street a Boss or Chairman; but they had enormous influence.

To the best of my knowledge, only two men have ever been Chairman of the Outfit. Those two men were Paul Ricca and Tony Accordo. Some people believe John DiFronzo served as Chairman. Many times we get into semantics when talking about these guys because titles and monikers can sometimes be confusing, plus, the Outfit was just different in the way they operated.

Thanks, Snakes, for the chart. And, yes, you should get credit for your work .

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Nice Chart Snakes smile

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Great chart, very clear and clarifying..


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Any one know about or got a photos of Jackie Cerone Ex Crime partner James Whales who he talks about on FBI Bug smile

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Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone? Seems like a man with different sides. Roemer described him as a cunning guy who frequently worked out and who used to take morning runs etc, in "Casino" there is a part where Cullotta remember meeting him at some bar with Mad Sam and Cerone is utterly drunk (portrayed as a real scumbag), asking a woman at the bar to suck his prick - at the bar. Perhaps bollox story but if not he seems to have been a man with a couple of different faces.

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Read His FBI FILE loads of him on FBI BUGS what I know of him he was close to Tony Accardo since 1930s they say he did over 4 or 5 hits maybe more . On his fbi Files he talks about his hits one on Big Jim Martin who he shot 2 times but lived he blamed it on old Ammo old Buck shot lol . He Also Talks about other hits with his partner James Whales I want ask also for Toodoped to do a thing on Jackie Cerone and his Partner James Whales grin

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Thanks ricky.

Toodopeds Chicago outfit stuff is the best, hands down. Would also very much appreciate a piece on Cerone. Was he in on the action Jackson hit or was that Buccieri?

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Buccieri and Turk Torello.


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Your Welcome bro grin Also on Jackie Cerone FBI Files you hear them talking about the Jackson hit yeah it was Buccieri and turk they tell Jackie cerone what they did to him with the cattle prod they also talk about putting other guys on racks what pulled out all there joints Turk said it made them a foot Taller . Them Guys was heavy hitters who like to play with there victim's before they Whacked them smile

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Originally Posted By: goldhawkroad
Toodoped: got anything on Jackie Cerone?


Yeah Im planning to work on a project regarding Cerone, Gagliano and Messino.


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What Date is that Project Coming out on Jackie Cerone and Co Toodoped smile

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Toodoped can you also find info & pics on Jackie Cerone Partner Johnny Whales the one who he talks about on his FBI files grin

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Anyone have information on the Wolcoff brothers that were supposed "laborers" for Alderisio?

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