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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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02/29/16 01:23 PM
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I hope we leave the EU. But this campaign is full of scaremongering and about the civil disupute in the tories. I am a tory and we hear all this stuff about how it is going to help boris become PM in june if we leave. And all the spinning on figures. Reading michael gove piece on why he wants to leave is insightful. Trade will still happen olivant. three million jobs here are link to eu and 5 million jobs in eu are linked to uk economy. So basically we rely on each other.
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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
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02/29/16 03:13 PM
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maybe but this is all part of the negotiations if we leave which will take around two years. Maybe we leave entirely or maybe we become like iceland and norway which imo is worse. Because we still pay for membership but still have to enforce eu laws. And all referendums are non binding but if we vote to leave cameron wont say, "no we arent going to leave"
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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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02/29/16 06:33 PM
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uk joined in 75 or 73, i cant remember but it was called the eec. it was a common market, but slowly and in the 80's when it all started, it began to become a united state of europe. UK has never wanted that as a nation. people say it benefits because of trade but we will trade with europe anyway if we leave. Farage is right, the ukip leader, lets be friends and good neighbours but we wont be part of this superstate
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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
[Re: olivant]
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03/01/16 03:57 AM
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So, why did England join the EU in the first place and what is the incentive for it to leave? “Heavy fog over Channel. Continent isolated.”... The british love their island and love to stay alone. So why the UK joint the EU but remained with the pound ? Because lived to say to the EU "if we will continue to stay in EU, what are the benefits ?" And so the EU gave many many benefits because the UK will continue to stay in EU. Now that the EU is in crisis the british want to to Leave the sinking boat. So british want to Leave ? Ok that all right the trade will be the same and dont kill too desperates that try to leave dunkerque for cross the Channel and land on the "continent".
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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
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03/08/16 07:13 AM
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I'm amazed at how many people over here think the EU will end..
The EU isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.. Billy, the European Union was born as an idea in the 50s, first as an economic community and then as a set of states. Was yearn for the United States of Europe with its own army, all that things collided with the harsh reality. In the end the only things that holds Europe together is the euro and the Schengen treaty. If at the end each state is free to suspend Schengen, what will prevent such a state, to unilaterally go out from the euro? Unfortunately because of the crisis in many countries come to government more xenophobic parties who don't want the European Union that, after the 2009 crisis has not been able to help those countries in difficulty rather scornfully called it P.I.G.S. namely Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain. the European Union is an idea for which Europe and its people must be together to be stronger and help each other. This is the theory In practice emerge germany who feels the teacher in Europe, followed by France, Eastern European countries which have done so much to get in the union now they want to get out of it because it is not cheaper to stay in the union; Meanwhile Italy and Greece are left to themselves in handling the migration management. northern europe in words helps the southern countries and the Balkans, and all do to repel migrants. What I would say is that: if the EU is an empty shell and is more convenient for the Italy to turn back to the lire and rebuilt the economy,ok the eu has a good esperience but is failed. I study law and the european parliament spent 2 y for find a important decision and there are a lack od democrazy in the parliament. So if schengen can be easly suspended the next step will be to go out of euro. I hope was clear.
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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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03/08/16 03:55 PM
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There's nothing wrong with the EU as a concept, but the individual member countries are damaging the Union with bad economic and immigration policies. Some of the countries are big welfare and democratic socialist states that are losing money and have little to no economic growth, so when Greece goes bankrupt the other countries are expected to carry the slack. In reality, since most of the countries aren't doing well the burden goes to those that are, like Germany. As part of joining the union, member states should not have been allowed to engage in extreme welfare statism and democratic socialism because they kill economies.
Second, many of the EU members have been committing suicide by allowing mass immigration of Muslims, especially those who want to impose Shari'a. That combined with far-Left political correctness that gives special privileges to Muslims while taking them away from Christian is going to have similar effects to the de-Christianization of Revolutionary France: tyranny and mass murder. Meanwhile, those who reject Islamic supremacy are regularly labeled by the press as "far right" and marginalized. Clearly neo-Nazism should be marginalized, but parties that promote free markets and reject Islamic supremacism should not be. A rejection of Islamic supremacy is NOT a rejection of all Muslims, but it does reject those who want to impose their religion on others and hold such ideas as killing apostates and a denial or rights to women. Now Germany, Sweden and other countries regularly downplay stories of rape by Muslim immigrants. What about the rights of the victims? Why are they being ignored?
So taken together, economic stupidity, giving in to Islamic supremacists, and the far-Left protecting them to the detriment of the victims, may lead to the end of the EU.
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Re: The European Union is moving towards its end ?
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03/08/16 08:17 PM
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If I recall, it was formed in the 1950s. In the early 1970s it gained a lot of power. By the early 1990s, with the fall of the Soviet Union, they had another treaty to sign, which help set the France-Germany-Netherlands alliance. I don't see it as an end yet, even though there are a few country members that don't have equal representation on the EU. Finland, Norway, and Sweden get a lot of flack, but they mainly deal with their own problems and talk amongst themselves before putting forth a policy to be voted on. Will the EU disband? Yes, but I say it will be another decade or two before we start to see it fall apart. Furio, I suggest you keep an eye on Switzerland to see which way the wind is blowing. Right now that country is solid on almost everything including their economy.
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