Does anybody have a take on why Trump is resonating with so many Republican voters?
I said before the Obama's election was as much about people rejecting the Bush administration as it was about anything else. McCain was the actual candidate, but the result was a response to 8 years of Bush/Cheney.
Is Trump's seeming success ,SO FAR,a case of Rep. voters rejecting the status quo of the party? Or was this just a weak field of other candidates?
Somewhere Hillary Clinton has to be laughing. If Trump gets the nomination, she will be the next President of the United States.
Your absolutely right Gett, its all well and good Trump winning states in a Republican ballot but how can he possibly win enough votes if he goes head to head with Clinton? So far he's pissed off Catholics, Hispanics, Black Voters and mainstream Republicans. I just see no way for him to win enough votes outside of whites to win? The thing is after all this the Republican Party will kick themselves because they never had a better chance of winning this, after what seems like 8 years of generally unpopular Obama presidency, the candidates the Democrats offer up is Clinton, mired in scandals and a 74 year old socialist. Yet Clinton will in my opinion win easily against Trump, because she will pick up crucial black and Hispanic voters. If the Republicans could of united around a candidate who came across as nice and positive and able to turn some Democrat voters it could of been a walk in the park. Instead you have Borderline racists and nasty spiteful liars like Ted Cruz. I cannot wait to watch fox news coverage when its called for Clinton they will go into melt down lol
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876430 02/24/1601:18 AM02/24/1601:18 AM
I don't see who else on the Republican side can actually beat Clinton besides Trump. He's the only one generating any excitement. Who on the republican side would've been able to beat Clinton? Ted Cruz? Jeb Bush? All these people are duds.
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876431 02/24/1601:21 AM02/24/1601:21 AM
I don't see who else on the Republican side can actually beat Clinton besides Trump. He's the only one generating any excitement. Who on the republican side would've been able to beat Clinton? Ted Cruz? Jeb Bush? All these people are duds.
He probably would get more votes than those guys your right, weak field this year!
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876435 02/24/1602:52 AM02/24/1602:52 AM
Think on the bright side. If Thrump wins the nomination and loses to Hillary. All the illegals will leave the United States and go back to Mexico for a better life.
Then Mexico will build and pay for the wall as Thrump said in order to keep our illegals from going back to Mexico.
All's well that ends well.
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876447 02/24/1610:12 AM02/24/1610:12 AM
Im catholic and no one mentions being pissed off at Trump and i go to chruch every Sunday. If someone as liberal as Obama can ever get elected, so could Trump. Whether its Trump or someone else in the whitehouse, it will be a republican. This country was founded on strong values, hard work, and patriotism; not hand outs to the unpatriotic lazy population we now have.
Last edited by Belmont; 02/24/1610:12 AM.
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[Re: Belmont]
#876452 02/24/1612:37 PM02/24/1612:37 PM
Im catholic and no one mentions being pissed off at Trump and i go to chruch every Sunday. If someone as liberal as Obama can ever get elected, so could Trump. Whether its Trump or someone else in the whitehouse, it will be a republican. This country was founded on strong values, hard work, and patriotism; not hand outs to the unpatriotic lazy population we now have.
strong values
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hard work
Trump and his rich papa.
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[Re: SoCalGangs]
#876458 02/24/1602:05 PM02/24/1602:05 PM
[/quote] It's a rejection of Obama, Bush, the republican establishment, the mainstream media, and political correctness.
I'd have to agree. In the past, I used to view "political correctness" as a term that people used when they wanted to insult another group with no repercussions. In 2016, with extreme case of the Bruce Jenner circus, I now see how it's expanded to mean you have to walk on a tightrope and lie.
People have to feel comfortable speaking the truth as they see it. Trump's rise is definitely a response of the people to 2016 climate where media says that anything goes and you have to accept it.
I applaud Trump for being a silver spoon rich guy who is able to convince the general public that he relates to , and speaks for them.
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#876459 02/24/1602:30 PM02/24/1602:30 PM
Your absolutely right Gett, its all well and good Trump winning states in a Republican ballot but how can he possibly win enough votes if he goes head to head with Clinton? So far he's pissed off Catholics, Hispanics, Black Voters and mainstream Republicans. I just see no way for him to win enough votes outside of whites to win? The thing is after all this the Republican Party will kick themselves because they never had a better chance of winning this, after what seems like 8 years of generally unpopular Obama presidency, the candidates the Democrats offer up is Clinton, mired in scandals and a 74 year old socialist. Yet Clinton will in my opinion win easily against Trump, because she will pick up crucial black and Hispanic voters. If the Republicans could of united around a candidate who came across as nice and positive and able to turn some Democrat voters it could of been a walk in the park. Instead you have Borderline racists and nasty spiteful liars like Ted Cruz. I cannot wait to watch fox news coverage when its called for Clinton they will go into melt down lol
So far the public has spoken. They have responded to Trump and reasoning, debate, logic has gone out of the window. It's the political climate that both parties have helped create though. Just biting Rep.s in the butt now.
There are legitimate criticisms of the Obama administration and a candidate who wanted to convince moderates of those shortcomings and how the country needs to shift in the other direction, might have a chance.
If you follow American politics, media (and even read some of the posts through the years here and on American web forums) you will see insults rather than discussions. You will read people outright dismissing the opinions of those who have different beliefs. My view has always been that if you are truly convinced that your view is the "correct" one, you can craft arguments defending it, but that's me. In 2016, people are more comfortable repeating what their favorite media outlet tells them and using their code words and slogans.
It's entertaining, doesn't help win elections though.
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#876462 02/24/1602:52 PM02/24/1602:52 PM
It looks like he's for real. Sorry about your luck. Look what that Austrian guy did for Germany. Its time to be the greatest nation again. Let's hope we dont have another world war. A mass eradication of the scumbags of society wouldnt be so bad. Trump is more of a success story than all opponents combined. Its time to make people accountable for their actions. Its time for the pussyfooting to end. With Trump, the term politically correct will have a new meaning.
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#876480 02/24/1605:00 PM02/24/1605:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
So far the public has spoken. They have responded to Trump and reasoning, debate, logic has gone out of the window. It's the political climate that both parties have helped create though. Just biting Rep.s in the butt now.
There are legitimate criticisms of the Obama administration and a candidate who wanted to convince moderates of those shortcomings and how the country needs to shift in the other direction, might have a chance.
If you follow American politics, media (and even read some of the posts through the years here and on American web forums) you will see insults rather than discussions. You will read people outright dismissing the opinions of those who have different beliefs. My view has always been that if you are truly convinced that your view is the "correct" one, you can craft arguments defending it, but that's me. In 2016, people are more comfortable repeating what their favorite media outlet tells them and using their code words and slogans.
It's entertaining, doesn't help win elections though.
+1
The Dude: And, you know, he's got emotional problems, man. Walter Sobchak: You mean... beyond pacifism?
Walter Sobchak: This guy f*cking walks. I've never been so sure of anything in my entire life
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#876489 02/24/1605:35 PM02/24/1605:35 PM
I don't vote and don't believe in politics as a means to solve societal problems but I think it's ironic that Trump is probably the least hawkish person in the race. All the other candidates seem like they wouldn't mind starting world war 3 and nuking multiple countries. Trump talks tough against obvious enemies like ISIS like the American people want someone to, yet he isn't like these other blood thirsty candidates that want to attack and invade every country. I admire that. Yet were told he's dangerous and don't trust him with the nukes. Hilary Clinton is no peacenik.
I also don't buy into the moderate candidate thing. People are sick of that. In politics moderate has come to mean somebody that panders to whatever crowd they're in front of, stands for no real principles, flip flops whatever they think it'll help and has no real ideological difference between the other major party establishment.
If people cared about logic than none of the candidates would be considered. Why single out Trump?
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[Re: Belmont]
#876492 02/24/1605:43 PM02/24/1605:43 PM
I guess my overall point is that Trump isn't the first nor will he be the last to spout rhetoric that is contrary to his past ACTIONS.
He's just being so transparently full of s*it that it insults my intelligence.
The illegal immigrant issue..and some of his rhetoric about Chinese business practices directly go against his personal interests. When has big business ever NOT benefited from surplus of cheap labor ? In one of the long discussions we had, we talked about how big business(northern industries) benefited from late 19th century/early 20th century European immigrants...and later from mass migration of Blacks from the rural south to the urban northern manufacturing centers.In both instances...they could pay newly arrived(im)migrant a fraction of what the old workforce would accept for the same job. The glut of undocumented workers the past few decades has the same effect...and big business (including the likes of Trump)will exploit this cheaper labor pool.
It's disingenuous for Trump to pander to blue collar America(among other groups)by speaking out against "undocumented people". If it were genuine, then Trump would apply STRINGENT wording in his contracts with these agencies about not hiring ANYBODY without a valid SS #. But of course he doesn't.....and there's no doubt that there are people who work directly for companies that Trump owns who are undocumented. For all his rhetoric about controlling the 2,000 mile US/Mexico border...I'd like to see him control the Trump payroll and not let any illegals slip through THOSE cracks.
Here is a 1991 NYT article about a federal judge ruling against Trump in a case about this topic.
OK...now about the clothing line and more contradictions. It's a licensing deal that has been going on for over 10 years. Now, the company that made the deal had factories or partnerships with factories in foreign countries WAY before they signed Trump and will continue to have them way after Trump is dropped.
but this is HILARIOUS
Again, licensing deal has been going for over 10 years. If there was anything genuine behind some of Trump's rhetoric..we would see specific wording in the licensing deal requiring a certain % of the merchandise to be made in America, earmarking certain amount of money to restore existing American clothing factories,etc,etc,etc But I'd bet money that no such wording exists in the contracts.
So Trump is saying some of these comments, and to the people he's pandering to at the moment ...it sounds great but it's just talk.
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#876514 02/24/1606:40 PM02/24/1606:40 PM
David letterman is a stupid looking jerkoff millionaire liberal. That mistakenly thinks if you think Obama is a bad president it has to be because your a racist. It could not be just because he thinks he is a bad president.
Maybe Obama got reelected because people thought if he was not reelected there would be a race war
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876516 02/24/1606:44 PM02/24/1606:44 PM
All valid and good points. I don't like what politics have become, but I follow national and local elections to see which way the wind is blowing. I force myself to watch the debates because some of the candidates don't have political track records to measure them against. I can't watch more than 45 minutes though.
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
I don't vote and don't believe in politics as a means to solve societal problems but I think it's ironic that Trump is probably the least hawkish person in the race. All the other candidates seem like they wouldn't mind starting world war 3 and nuking multiple countries. Trump talks tough against obvious enemies like ISIS like the American people want someone to, yet he isn't like these other blood thirsty candidates that want to attack and invade every country. I admire that. Yet were told he's dangerous and don't trust him with the nukes. Hilary Clinton is no peacenik.
Glad to not hear more hawkish talk(fueled by donors who represent weapons manufacturers)I see Trump's public views on that to be political strategy.He has no military /foreign policy background and it's a glaring shortcoming in debates with U.S. Senators ....and in the debate footage I've watched, he routes discussions about terror towards his talking point about securing the borders.
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
I also don't buy into the moderate candidate thing. People are sick of that. In politics moderate has come to mean somebody that panders to whatever crowd they're in front of, stands for no real principles, flip flops whatever they think it'll help and has no real ideological difference between the other major party establishment.
The separation of powers in government. You cannot get things done without some level of cooperation and compromise in the Senate and the House. I think a certain % of Americans are practical and aren't married to any political ideology but will vote in favor of THEIR interests. Media tries to manipulate us into side versus side and get people to vote against their own interests but some issues aren't clear cut black or white.
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
If people cared about logic than none of the candidates would be considered. Why single out Trump?
I just bumped/posted a post I made in the first page of this thread about why Trump in particular bugs me. If there is any language in his clothing licensing deals which earmarks certain amount of the products to be manufactured in USA or to build factory/hire workers in USA..I'll stand corrected. If not, more of the same Trump that those of us in this region are familiar with.
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[Re: getthesenets]
#876521 02/24/1607:08 PM02/24/1607:08 PM
All valid and good points. I don't like what politics have become, but I follow national and local elections to see which way the wind is blowing. I force myself to watch the debates because some of the candidates don't have political track records to measure them against. I can't watch more than 45 minutes though.
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
I don't vote and don't believe in politics as a means to solve societal problems but I think it's ironic that Trump is probably the least hawkish person in the race. All the other candidates seem like they wouldn't mind starting world war 3 and nuking multiple countries. Trump talks tough against obvious enemies like ISIS like the American people want someone to, yet he isn't like these other blood thirsty candidates that want to attack and invade every country. I admire that. Yet were told he's dangerous and don't trust him with the nukes. Hilary Clinton is no peacenik.
Glad to not hear more hawkish talk(fueled by donors who represent weapons manufacturers)I see Trump's public views on that to be political strategy.He has no military /foreign policy background and it's a glaring shortcoming in debates with U.S. Senators ....and in the debate footage I've watched, he routes discussions about terror towards his talking point about securing the borders.
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
I also don't buy into the moderate candidate thing. People are sick of that. In politics moderate has come to mean somebody that panders to whatever crowd they're in front of, stands for no real principles, flip flops whatever they think it'll help and has no real ideological difference between the other major party establishment.
The separation of powers in government. You cannot get things done without some level of cooperation and compromise in the Senate and the House. I think a certain % of Americans are practical and aren't married to any political ideology but will vote in favor of THEIR interests. Media tries to manipulate us into side versus side and get people to vote against their own interests but some issues aren't clear cut black or white.
Originally Posted By: SoCalGangs
If people cared about logic than none of the candidates would be considered. Why single out Trump?
I just bumped/posted a post I made in the first page of this thread about why Trump in particular bugs me. If there is any language in his clothing licensing deals which earmarks certain amount of the products to be manufactured in USA or to build factory/hire workers in USA..I'll stand corrected. If not, more of the same Trump that those of us in this region are familiar with.
Yea I don't think he has a super deep knowledge of everything foreign policy. Yet I don't think any of the other candidates do either. Maybe more than him, but ultimately they're all controlled by the military industrial complex and will bomb, invade, and send weapons to whoever they're told. Trump probably makes the entire establishment nervous because they fear he might not be 100% under their control.
The separation of powers in government are just about the only good thing about it all. I like when they can't get stuff done. That's the only upside I'd see of a Bernie Sanders as president. Maybe a bunch of republicans get elected to congress and block everything he ever proposes. Government not passing bills= Good. But I know I'm in the minority.
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#876523 02/24/1607:31 PM02/24/1607:31 PM
Interesting take. Trump is helping to shake up the system that people are disillusioned with. You might not be in that much of a minority with your opinions.
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876546 02/24/1611:31 PM02/24/1611:31 PM
I thought after Iowa Cruz would be a force to be reckoned with but his campaign has really taken some hits recently with Dirty tactics and calls that he's a liar. For a guy who says he's holier than thou its not a good look. The Carson thing was really nasty, and the Rubio doctored picture was just crass. I have no doubt Trump will win the nominee now, all these endorsements Rubio is getting is not turning into votes. He needs to really attack trump in the debates to stand a chance, however I think Trump would crush him if he tried. On another note, as a neutral spectator who has followed the debates and all the interviews I really like John Kasich from the Republicans. He stands no chance but seems a decent guy.
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876557 02/25/1602:50 AM02/25/1602:50 AM
As I posted on the other board, I don't think it's so much people liking Trump himself as it is a way for them to stick it to the establishment, which they're sick and tired of.
Thats all fine and good but will this translate to people showing up to the polls on election day when a Trump Presidency becomes a very real possibility? And that includes independents who Trump HAS to win over if he expects to win the general election.
I have plenty of reservations about Trump but, between him and Hillary, he'd be far the lesser of two evils. Anyone dumb enough to vote for her should just wrap their lips around a revolver now.
Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876562 02/25/1606:20 AM02/25/1606:20 AM
I think Thrump has the independent vote already. He has the piss off republican vote.
He has the frustrated family vote on the economy.
If he ever pays to advertise with the media which he is not doing. He should have someone explain the true meaning of socialism to young voters and nothing else. Then say paid for by Thrump.
It would be a powerful message.
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[Re: Binnie_Coll]
#876563 02/25/1606:28 AM02/25/1606:28 AM
He should say why latino's and Blacks should vote for him. I am not hearing him say it.
Also a lot of kids have no interest in college. But he could offer kids and people not working a trade school option. Paid for with some gov money 2 year program and the private sector could help pay and a job placement program. Cost of that now is apx under 15 thousand total. Cheaper then college.
Let's say their on welfair while on it ends in two years they can go to trade school. Then they get off and have a job at the end of those two years.