Hey,

I just signed up for this site after lurking on here for a while, Im recently new to the mob scene and finished reading "Murder Machine" the other night.

I had a question regarding rules for being made. Are there any crimes that an associate committed in the past that can prevent him from being made? In Murder Machine in mentions how Demeo was engaged in dealing with kiddy porn, which is disgusting, and yet he still earns his button... I would have thought American LCN would have rules that if an associate commits a sex crime, particularly anything to do with kids, he would be banned from dealing with the LCN?

Demeo was made because was a wonderful earner and his crew was much feared.
The only rules that never will be changed is that a made man cant be gay, Vito Arena stay with demeo but was gay and dont was made.
An another rules is that a junkie can be made, because is too weak and cant take the mouth closed.

The rules even that you must n bein a cop can and was broke.

I doubt one of the biggest groups of fucking scumbag pieces of shit on earth gives a fuck about much, if it will impede profits.

Not trying to be a dick, but seriously how else can ya put it?

Yeah that is somewhat true. But I've known guys involved with OC (not mafia though) who wouldn't want to associate with guys like Demeo who deal in child pornography or kill 19 year old girls. I would thought the Mafia would mostly be made up of criminals who still have some moral code.

The moral code in the crime world never existed. What guys you talking about ? Cartel members for money would rape and kill babies for made snuff movie and sell it.
The Mob at the end was ruled by greedy but I dont think that demeo was involved in child porn maybe under age porno ma not pedo porno. The 19 y girl ? The criminals kill,that it.

Money breaks all 'codes' or rules.

It says in Murder Machine Demeo did deal in child pornography. And the 19 year old girl Im referring to was Cherie Golden that he and the Gemini killed.

Some criminals have a moral code. Friends I know involved with OC like I stated before would never do shit like kill babies like you mentioned.

there was this guy in north jeresy with the philly mob casale cant remember his first name anyway he was a convicted pedophile instead of being shunned by the mob pete "the crumb" Caprio welcomed him in.

This guy casale he killed three guys for the north jersey crew on pete caprio orders. He was the guy who shot and killed joe sodano in 1996. Joe sodano was killed on natales and merlinos orders after he refused to recognize natale and merlino as the leaders

after the murder ralph natale told pete caprio he wanted to make casale a made guy. Here is boss of a family wanting to make a pedophile caprio said "he is not ready"

casale would later cooperate and wear a wire on pete caprio he implicated pete in a mob murder plot in 1999 to kill joe ligambi steve mazzone and Geogre Borgesi. Caprio would flip in 2000 and the feds dropped casale as a witness as he lied to the feds about some murders and his conviction for being a pedophile made him a bad witness



the point is they were ready to make a pedophile show they would make anyone for money

Wow, how are these guys still glorified by the media? I just googled that Casale guy and he's a disgusting piece of shit. Fuck the american mob, I don't understand how anyone could look up these guys after what I just read.

Gaggi was furious when he found out that DeMeo was trafficking in child porn and threatened to kill him if he didn't stop. It's unclear if Castellano ever found out about DeMeo but Robert DiBernardo was investigated for his own involvement in the trade.

These are the only two examples I'm aware of. One can find an exception to just about every rule but I think there are things that would keep a guy from getting made. As a rule of thumb, I don't think a known pedophile is going to get made. Just like a known homosexual wont. There only being a couple examples of members dealing in child porn says the same thing for that. I also agree with Capeci that most mob guys wouldn't knowingly assist terrorists, even for profit.

Thomas Orefice hasn't been shelved.


Regards terrorism maybe not directly but indirectly, financing activities etc (moving drugs, fraud eg credit cards etc) I'd say it's not beyond some of these guys to look the other way and deal in the above with funding networks.

The point being when enough monies involved nothing is sacred.

You can't expect guys who chop up bodies as part of their job description to hold in concrete any unbreakable moral or ethical standpoint.

That Orefice case got a lot of press because it was so unusual.

Like I said, there will always be exceptions but I'm talking in general.

At this point be a gay or a pedofhile are the only real rules. For the others if you are a good earner can easly pass on it.

Wasn't shelved because is in the can.

Name: THOMAS OREFICE

Register Number: 40257-054

Age: 39
Race: White
Sex: Male

Release Date: 04/08/2017

Located At: FCI Fairton

What about Chris Furnari? Lucchese consigliere and Anthony Casso's mentor. Wasn't he arrested for rape?

how about the most hypocritical one of all, Drug dealing?

Furnari in 1945 raped a woman but was made maybe because in the macho mentality rape a woman means to be a real man.

In what fucking world does raping a woman mean to be a real man? Fucking disgusting.

In the criminal world and in all the machist world. Where I live its said "al women are whores without my mother".

It's a similiar mentality in Croatia, that all women, but those in your family, are no good, but in no way does that mean that anyone would look at a rapist and think of him as a real man. Rapists are looked down at and they should be looked down at in all countries.

But anyway, I'm sorry for derailing the thread. Continue with forbidden crimes!

You can still be shelved in the can Furio.

Didn't Mancuso kill his wife? And he's a boss, or a high ranking member, depending on your position. He's made regardless.

Sonny If Im not wrong he is an associate do you think that will be shelved in the 2017 once out or will be made for keep his mouth closed ?

Exactly he killed his wife in 1984 and was 29 so or was made or will be made regardless this and Mancuso that a permission for go to his daughter first comunion.

However the old camorristi saying that a real man must n touche the women and the children

In the criminal world at least money went before all.

I think Orefice is made.

Orefice is made Furio

https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2011/nine-gambino-crime-family-members-sentenced-in-manhattan-federal-court-for-racketeering-murder-conspiracy-extortion-sex-trafficking-and-other-crimes

Copy and paste the above link. Not sure why it isn't coming up as a link.

Again do you think that will be shelved once out for sex traffick ?
He will made 8 y and keep the mouth shout,in this time he is a trusted soldier.

Sonny I read the article and said of young women and girls not children.

Trafficking 15yr olds for sex is pedophillia in my book Furio. The guys who would've used this poor thing weren't 16yr old boys keep in mind. They would've been dirty fucking 50,60 yr old men. Now techinically pedophillia relates to the abuse of pre pubescent children (13, 11, dependant on local law) and this girl is 15 so it's not techinically pedophillia, but a 50yr old fucking a 15yr old is a pedophille in my book. And a guy who facilitates this and makes money off of it is no better if not worse.

Unless the trafficking in underage girls was off record then no.

If it was done on the sneak he's a good chance.