I know Jackie lost 200k in a high stakes card game that goes on in a hotel in midtown...he didn't have the money. So he was suppossed to pay Frankie and butters back on it but I heard he didn't have a dime let alone 200k or 4 a week in to pay them.. Frankie ended up getting killed and I heard he didn't pay butters until they had a sit down in the late 80s. So yeah I would say that's pretty fucking degenerate