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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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02/06/16 08:12 AM
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maybe not stronger in means of influence and manpower, but surely in consolidated leadership, stable administrations or whatever you wanna call it. More organized in "organized crime". If you look into all the documentarys, they essentially stopped in the mid 90s and concluded the mob was back to street level gang and therefore gone. Disorganized. That, in my opinion, has been obv proven to be wrong. Feds have only now, after years, figured out the boss for the WS, took them some time.
Mob got more organized = what i think the feds mean with stronger. OFC ivy is absolutely right. No way theyre in the shape of ~ until the mid90s/2000s for bonnanos.
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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02/06/16 08:36 AM
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Do Lastorino, Baratta, Zappola and Avellino have any roles to play in the current family structure? Sal Avellino is retired by choice. The other three, well, not much choice about their current roles. Baratta had a sit down with Crea over a table at Rao's and won.
Surely that means he has some influence.
Fifteen years ago, Moe. More than a lifetime in that world. Let's just say that Bowat's position has been greatly diminished. I imagine what went down with Lastorino's son didn't do him any favors. Nothing Lastorino did made him many allies (outside of the regime that ended up on the losing side). His son was just the cherry on the cake. If this were thirty or so years ago, they'd all be lucky to be breathing, forget about shelved or demoted. A couple years back there were people in Camp Brooklyn predicting bloodshed and the war to end all mob wars. And I simply said, Never happen. I'm still waiting  . Go ahead and call Amuso the official boss if you want. I'm not arguing that point anymore. In theory, it's fine. But in practice, when you see how the Bronx/Westchester regime is living compared to the old Brooklyn regime, you might just understand what I'm trying to say. Moe --- When I say "you," it's directed at all of the guys who think Amuso's still the guy. It's not directed at you personally. And I don't want to derail the thread by going down the rabbit hole with my buddy Ivy. So, I'll finally say, Hey, the Feebs say Amuso's the boss, so I won't argue. But it's only on paper or in theory. In practice, the Crea faction is shitting all over the old Amuso/Casso guys today. And to a true wiseguy, that's worse than getting whacked. Okay, call it a two post "comeback."
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: pizzaboy]
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02/06/16 12:35 PM
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Do Lastorino, Baratta, Zappola and Avellino have any roles to play in the current family structure? Sal Avellino is retired by choice. The other three, well, not much choice about their current roles. Baratta had a sit down with Crea over a table at Rao's and won.
Surely that means he has some influence.
Fifteen years ago, Moe. More than a lifetime in that world. Let's just say that Bowat's position has been greatly diminished. I imagine what went down with Lastorino's son didn't do him any favors. Nothing Lastorino did made him many allies (outside of the regime that ended up on the losing side). His son was just the cherry on the cake. If this were thirty or so years ago, they'd all be lucky to be breathing, forget about shelved or demoted. A couple years back there were people in Camp Brooklyn predicting bloodshed and the war to end all mob wars. And I simply said, Never happen. I'm still waiting  . Go ahead and call Amuso the official boss if you want. I'm not arguing that point anymore. In theory, it's fine. But in practice, when you see how the Bronx/Westchester regime is living compared to the old Brooklyn regime, you might just understand what I'm trying to say. Moe --- When I say "you," it's directed at all of the guys who think Amuso's still the guy. It's not directed at you personally. And I don't want to derail the thread by going down the rabbit hole with my buddy Ivy. So, I'll finally say, Hey, the Feebs say Amuso's the boss, so I won't argue. But it's only on paper or in theory. In practice, the Crea faction is shitting all over the old Amuso/Casso guys today. And to a true wiseguy, that's worse than getting whacked. Okay, call it a two post "comeback." Pb its great to see you back posting my friend.. Hope u had a good holiday....as far what you said and what ive read to me its clear about whos in charge Side note and this may be a dumb question but ive never seen an answer... Since Raos was brought up... Was is originally started and owned by Vincent Rao, the Gagliano/Lucchese consigliere? Or is that name just happenstance? If it is, then id have to think as far mob backed restaurants that its the most successful longest lasting one no? That may be an interesting thread in and of itself but any insight is appreciated
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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02/06/16 01:21 PM
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Pb Correct me if im wrong but arent there a few brooklyn guys and maybe a staten island guy or two that do get along with the bronx and still earn? Im talking lucchese, not west siders.
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: mickey2]
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02/06/16 04:43 PM
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maybe not stronger in means of influence and manpower, but surely in consolidated leadership, stable administrations or whatever you wanna call it. More organized in "organized crime". If you look into all the documentarys, they essentially stopped in the mid 90s and concluded the mob was back to street level gang and therefore gone. Disorganized. That, in my opinion, has been obv proven to be wrong. Feds have only now, after years, figured out the boss for the WS, took them some time.
Mob got more organized = what i think the feds mean with stronger. OFC ivy is absolutely right. No way theyre in the shape of ~ until the mid90s/2000s for bonnanos. Generally speaking government and law enforcement officials have become more careful about making those kind of rosey predictions and statements. You saw a lot of them back in the 1990s, how they would have the mob reduced to a street gang, if not completely wiped out, in the next 5 or 10 years. That was 20 years ago.
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: pizzaboy]
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02/06/16 09:57 PM
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I imagine what went down with Lastorino's son didn't do him any favors. Nothing Lastorino did made him many allies (outside of the regime that ended up on the losing side). His son was just the cherry on the cake. If this were thirty or so years ago, they'd all be lucky to be breathing, forget about shelved or demoted. A couple years back there were people in Camp Brooklyn predicting bloodshed and the war to end all mob wars. And I simply said, Never happen. I'm still waiting  . What happened with Lastorino's son?
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: pmac]
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02/09/16 03:44 AM
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One of the Brooklyn capos was a young guy around 50 forgot his name he was a weed guy. Half a dozen of cassis guy all killers did get released they got to eat somehow. That one guy conte had a lot of bodies. He's free I believe. Froggy Galione
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: Flushing]
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02/09/16 09:51 AM
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One of the Brooklyn capos was a young guy around 50 forgot his name he was a weed guy. Half a dozen of cassis guy all killers did get released they got to eat somehow. That one guy conte had a lot of bodies. He's free I believe. Froggy Galione He got out a few months ago i believe, was with George Conte in brooklyn. I cant imagine him getting back into the mix after all these years with so many changes. Im not sure his family is in brooklyn any longer.
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: Crash]
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02/09/16 04:07 PM
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One of the Brooklyn capos was a young guy around 50 forgot his name he was a weed guy. Half a dozen of cassis guy all killers did get released they got to eat somehow. That one guy conte had a lot of bodies. He's free I believe. Froggy Galione He got out a few months ago i believe, was with George Conte in brooklyn. I cant imagine him getting back into the mix after all these years with so many changes. Im not sure his family is in brooklyn any longer. Froggy is a pretty serious player. I doubt he's heading for retirement any time soon.
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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02/15/16 05:22 AM
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I find this to be one of the great " Mob Mysteries";
Someone explain this one to me, cause it really never made any sense... A while back someone posted a Ney Jersey crime report from 83, it said that Chris Funari was being groomed for boss.
Now I found this interesting, cause the guy was from what, Brooklyn? Right? But the power base was always the Bronx and Harlem, with a strong jersey faction.
Was it like' with the decline of the Pleasant ave drug markets, the Harlem crew lost influence to the Brooklyn crew, if even only temporarily?
Was Funari, like' much more respected and powerful than he's given credit for in history? Cause it seems the elevation of Amuso and Casso mostly had to do with his endorsement.
I just had kind of a flash in my mind, Amuso and Casso were big in drugs right? So a lot of that Harlem influence from narcotics revenues, might have flowed to the Brooklyn guys as the Harlem guys transitioned out of the neighborhood? Could that account for the shift in power? It also just occurred to me that Corralo' for all his union chicanery, did have a narcotics conviction, ( overturned on appeal but still), he might have had more in common with Amuso and Casso than we give credit.
You knowledgable guys help me sort this one out.....
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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02/15/16 05:37 AM
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This might be a ridiculous question, during the Riena era, I've read that they had a monopoly on ice distribution, basically refrigeration, do the Luchesses still have interest here? Are they big in refrigeration supply, or repair, or majority shareholders in some freon company, anything along those lines?
Edit; I suppose this could also extend to air conditioning services, anything there?
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
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02/15/16 11:08 AM
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Someone explain this one to me, cause it really never made any sense... A while back someone posted a Ney Jersey crime report from 83, it said that Chris Funari was being groomed for boss. I'd be curious to know what their sources are. How could they possibly know that without wire taps staring so? And if so I'd love to hear them. Very possibly pure speculation.
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Re: Lucchese crime family in 2016
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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02/16/16 07:00 AM
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@ Sonny I can understand wanting to see a source, here is the thing though, it WAS FURNARIS PROTÉGÉS WHO TOOK OVER, what does that say about his power inside that family?
I mean there were other things in that report a little off, but to call it pure speculation? I mean, this same report named all kinds of zips I never heard of, so they got some good info clearly.
Also Sonny, you don't need a wiretap with it coming literally from the horses mouth, lol. You just read between the lines and draw conclusions. Gotti knew Casso was going to be a power when he was still a soldier. He didn't need a wiretap, lol.
Sometimes you gotta be able to read what you can't see, like dark matter or some shit, you see the effects of it, not the actual substance.
I just find it a little funny, again this is type of stuff we are supposed to go off, law enforcement shit, until it doesn't fit, then it's like, no it's all made up?
Someone in another thread posted an FBI document saying Tramaunti ran the Bonnanos! The fuckin FBI! But I recognize it for what it is, a report based off an informants slanted perspective, not like an outright lie, but to the best of the persons knowledge, that's what it looked like....
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