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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
[Re: IvyLeague]
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01/29/16 09:50 PM
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They've been dealt a major blow by attrition alone. For those of us who go by demonstrable figures by the feds, and not inflated and ever-changing ones online, there were reportedly 30 members in 2001 - 15 years ago. Since 2000, there's been over 30 members or possible members that have died. Even if they weren't all members, and even if there have been new members made over that time period (which there's been no evidence of), it's obvious that the family's size has been drastically reduced (overly hierarchical and unrealistic forum charts notwithstanding). Couple that with the relatively few mob cases in Detroit, especially significant ones, over that time period and it should be fairly clear what the current state of the family is.
What's more likely? That there aren't many cases because this weakened and rapidly shrinking family just isn't a big priority for law enforcement? Or its some unique case where, to explain the lack of cases, people have to afford it an almost mystical ability to avoid prosecution (something no other family has done)?
It seems those who WANT to believe a certain narrative go with the second scenario, no matter how unlikely. It's why they'll probably still believe it years from now when little in the way of mob cases has continued to be the norm in Detroit. Sonny- i appreciate the sentiments pal and i feel the same with you and your posts buddy... And its understandable where you're coming from. I agree that your position is likely but i feel that some of the general arguments me and cabrini posed are extremely valid and deserve serious consideration Ivy - again you are not addressing my arguments or points, you just simply keep going back to the fact of no cases.. Why is it that you cannot at least meet in the middle and consider the social, economic, and law enforcement climate in Detroit as possible factors why their havent been any cases... It's extemporaneous frustrating and i think why others are getting on your case because you refuse to even consider the others side.. I mean i can sure acknowledge where you're coming from with a lack of cases being proof that the family isn't doing so well but yet you aren't able to see that based on the nature of the area, the resources of le etc.... Also ivy your not acknowledging my point that Detroit has had 1 made guy flip and has never had a huge rico case that took down the upper echelons of the admin for lengthy prison sentences...gametax is the only one and Tocco the boss did a little over a year. How can u argue the lack of mob cases is evidence theyre a struggling barely existant family when they have NEVER had many prosecutions and no significant cases and one rat ever. I mean to me theres your explanation as to why LE hasnt had any cases againgst them.. Bc theyre extemly tight knit, largely intermarried and related members who do not flip... And by me stating this i am in no way affording them mythical status at all. Im not delusional enough to think theyre running a hugely profitable quiet fam that has their hooks in every facet of life in Detroit... I never once said that and to insinuate that is dumb and inaccurate. But i will say again look at the outfit family secrets case, the commission case, the scarfo/stanfa cases, the gotti takedown, all the columbo cases , and the massino flipping case... Every other family besides detroit has had major rico indictments that took down multiple capos, bosses and decimated crews... Unless i am missing something Detroit NEVER has.. Gametax came close but their main target Tocco was out in a year... Idk how u can ignore the historical fact that they have not been decimated by LE and have had 1 made guy flip... To me thats crucial evidence proving they are a very secretive close knit family that is very hard to take down in larger scale (i know theyve had smaller cases im not dumb) I know as a whole all mob families influence and power have diminished so please dont pull that bs that im saying theure all powerful. But u take the lack of le success and couple that w my previous agruments about Detroits other street crimes being focused on, the lack of le resources in general which is well documented, the state and govt funds being allocated to rebuild which u have to admit present opportunities for the mob... AND stability of the org that has had what 4 bosses in 100 years.. And compare that to other families and it's pretty clear that these are extremely valid logical explanations for the lack of mob cases and solid arguments as to the family quietly being in pretty good shape Again ivy address my solid points and for fucks sake dont give cop out answers like im believing what i want or the lack of cases as ur only proof bc i have given u logical explanations for this.. I for one know ur a smart guy and are a genius researcher but im asking u to at least consider these arguments and concede something is possible, itd go a long way trust me.. Not askin u to agree but u dont have to fuckin just stonewall it and throw in little like digs and shit about delusional, fanboy, or believing what i want.. Not tryin to sound douchy but im not some dumb fuck i have a jd and im from philly i dont give a fuck if the detroit fam is 500 strong or comprised solely of fruitcakes.. Also uve mentioned attrition that theyve had like 30 members die since 2000? That number seems ridiculously high and im sure they have made members since then.. Do u have a source for any of that? Im not callin u a liar at wll, i just feel as if that may be inaccurate.. I have no source for to refute this nor do i have a source stating the fams made guys since, but being that they have a fully functioning administration and have 3-4 crews theres no way they havent had at least 2 making ceremonies in 15 years?
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
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01/29/16 09:57 PM
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They've been dealt a major blow by attrition alone. For those of us who go by demonstrable figures by the feds, and not inflated and ever-changing ones online, there were reportedly 30 members in 2001 - 15 years ago. Since 2000, there's been over 30 members or possible members that have died. Even if they weren't all members, and even if there have been new members made over that time period (which there's been no evidence of), it's obvious that the family's size has been drastically reduced (overly hierarchical and unrealistic forum charts notwithstanding). Couple that with the relatively few mob cases in Detroit, especially significant ones, over that time period and it should be fairly clear what the current state of the family is.
What's more likely? That there aren't many cases because this weakened and rapidly shrinking family just isn't a big priority for law enforcement? Or its some unique case where, to explain the lack of cases, people have to afford it an almost mystical ability to avoid prosecution (something no other family has done)?
It seems those who WANT to believe a certain narrative go with the second scenario, no matter how unlikely. It's why they'll probably still believe it years from now when little in the way of mob cases has continued to be the norm in Detroit. Sonny- i appreciate the sentiments pal and i feel the same with you and your posts buddy... And its understandable where you're coming from. I agree that your position is likely but i feel that some of the general arguments me and cabrini posed are extremely valid and deserve serious consideration Ivy - again you are not addressing my arguments or points, you just simply keep going back to the fact of no cases.. Why is it that you cannot at least meet in the middle and consider the social, economic, and law enforcement climate in Detroit as possible factors why their havent been any cases... It's extemporaneous frustrating and i think why others are getting on your case because you refuse to even consider the others side.. I mean i can sure acknowledge where you're coming from with a lack of cases being proof that the family isn't doing so well but yet you aren't able to see that based on the nature of the area, the resources of le etc.... Also ivy your not acknowledging my point that Detroit has had 1 made guy flip and has never had a huge rico case that took down the upper echelons of the admin for lengthy prison sentences...gametax is the only one and Tocco the boss did a little over a year. How can u argue the lack of mob cases is evidence theyre a struggling barely existant family when they have NEVER had many prosecutions and no significant cases and one rat ever. I mean to me theres your explanation as to why LE hasnt had any cases againgst them.. Bc theyre extemly tight knit, largely intermarried and related members who do not flip... And by me stating this i am in no way affording them mythical status at all. Im not delusional enough to think theyre running a hugely profitable quiet fam that has their hooks in every facet of life in Detroit... I never once said that and to insinuate that is dumb and inaccurate. But i will say again look at the outfit family secrets case, the commission case, the scarfo/stanfa cases, the gotti takedown, all the columbo cases , and the massino flipping case... Every other family besides detroit has had major rico indictments that took down multiple capos, bosses and decimated crews... Unless i am missing something Detroit NEVER has.. Gametax came close but their main target Tocco was out in a year... Idk how u can ignore the historical fact that they have not been decimated by LE and have had 1 made guy flip... To me thats crucial evidence proving they are a very secretive close knit family that is very hard to take down in larger scale (i know theyve had smaller cases im not dumb) I know as a whole all mob families influence and power have diminished so please dont pull that bs that im saying theure all powerful. But u take the lack of le success and couple that w my previous agruments about Detroits other street crimes being focused on, the lack of le resources in general which is well documented, the state and govt funds being allocated to rebuild which u have to admit present opportunities for the mob... AND stability of the org that has had what 4 bosses in 100 years.. And compare that to other families and it's pretty clear that these are extremely valid logical explanations for the lack of mob cases and solid arguments as to the family quietly being in pretty good shape Again ivy address my solid points and for fucks sake dont give cop out answers like im believing what i want or the lack of cases as ur only proof bc i have given u logical explanations for this.. I for one know ur a smart guy and are a genius researcher but im asking u to at least consider these arguments and concede something is possible, itd go a long way trust me.. Not askin u to agree but u dont have to fuckin just stonewall it and throw in little like digs and shit about delusional, fanboy, or believing what i want.. Not tryin to sound douchy but im not some dumb fuck i have a jd and im from philly i dont give a fuck if the detroit fam is 500 strong or comprised solely of fruitcakes.. Also uve mentioned attrition that theyve had like 30 members die since 2000? That number seems ridiculously high and im sure they have made members since then.. Do u have a source for any of that? Im not callin u a liar at wll, i just feel as if that may be inaccurate.. I have no source for to refute this nor do i have a source stating the fams made guys since, but being that they have a fully functioning administration and have 3-4 crews theres no way they havent had at least 2 making ceremonies in 15 years? i agree with you here mikey as always you have good points
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
[Re: Louiebynochi]
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01/30/16 12:21 AM
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Ivy - again you are not addressing my arguments or points, you just simply keep going back to the fact of no cases.. Why is it that you cannot at least meet in the middle and consider the social, economic, and law enforcement climate in Detroit as possible factors why their havent been any cases... It's extemporaneous frustrating and i think why others are getting on your case because you refuse to even consider the others side.. I mean i can sure acknowledge where you're coming from with a lack of cases being proof that the family isn't doing so well but yet you aren't able to see that based on the nature of the area, the resources of le etc....
Also ivy your not acknowledging my point that Detroit has had 1 made guy flip and has never had a huge rico case that took down the upper echelons of the admin for lengthy prison sentences...gametax is the only one and Tocco the boss did a little over a year. How can u argue the lack of mob cases is evidence theyre a struggling barely existant family when they have NEVER had many prosecutions and no significant cases and one rat ever. I mean to me theres your explanation as to why LE hasnt had any cases againgst them.. Bc theyre extemly tight knit, largely intermarried and related members who do not flip...
And by me stating this i am in no way affording them mythical status at all. Im not delusional enough to think theyre running a hugely profitable quiet fam that has their hooks in every facet of life in Detroit... I never once said that and to insinuate that is dumb and inaccurate.
But i will say again look at the outfit family secrets case, the commission case, the scarfo/stanfa cases, the gotti takedown, all the columbo cases , and the massino flipping case... Every other family besides detroit has had major rico indictments that took down multiple capos, bosses and decimated crews... Unless i am missing something Detroit NEVER has.. Gametax came close but their main target Tocco was out in a year... Idk how u can ignore the historical fact that they have not been decimated by LE and have had 1 made guy flip... To me thats crucial evidence proving they are a very secretive close knit family that is very hard to take down in larger scale (i know theyve had smaller cases im not dumb)
I know as a whole all mob families influence and power have diminished so please dont pull that bs that im saying theure all powerful. But u take the lack of le success and couple that w my previous agruments about Detroits other street crimes being focused on, the lack of le resources in general which is well documented, the state and govt funds being allocated to rebuild which u have to admit present opportunities for the mob... AND stability of the org that has had what 4 bosses in 100 years.. And compare that to other families and it's pretty clear that these are extremely valid logical explanations for the lack of mob cases and solid arguments as to the family quietly being in pretty good shape
Again ivy address my solid points and for fucks sake dont give cop out answers like im believing what i want or the lack of cases as ur only proof bc i have given u logical explanations for this.. I for one know ur a smart guy and are a genius researcher but im asking u to at least consider these arguments and concede something is possible, itd go a long way trust me.. Not askin u to agree but u dont have to fuckin just stonewall it and throw in little like digs and shit about delusional, fanboy, or believing what i want.. Not tryin to sound douchy but im not some dumb fuck i have a jd and im from philly i dont give a fuck if the detroit fam is 500 strong or comprised solely of fruitcakes..
Also uve mentioned attrition that theyve had like 30 members die since 2000? That number seems ridiculously high and im sure they have made members since then.. Do u have a source for any of that? Im not callin u a liar at wll, i just feel as if that may be inaccurate.. I have no source for to refute this nor do i have a source stating the fams made guys since, but being that they have a fully functioning administration and have 3-4 crews theres no way they havent had at least 2 making ceremonies in 15 years?
The social, economic, and law enforcement climate? I've already said that there have been several non-LCN gambling busts in Detroit in recent years. If there aren't the resources to go after bookies, or if there are bigger priorities, why are these operations getting busted? If the focus is on violent street gangs, cartels, terrorism, or political corruption, why can we go on the Detroit FBI website and see cases against other criminal enterprises? These factors you bring up only go so far and really don't explain away the lack of cases over the long run. I'm not ignoring the history of cases against Detroit or lack thereof. But at this stage it's largely beside the point. Even if you want to ignore or minimize the indictment factor, you can't ignore the attrition factor. See the list below. You also need to stop saying they have a fully functioning crew and 3-4 crews like it's established fact. Show me another source that says this but I've already explained why Scott's Internet charts don't cut it. And how is there no way they havent had at least 2 ceremonies in the last 15 years? Even Scott has only said he's heard rumors. But even if we assume they have, it's highly unlikely they have been able to make anywhere near the amount of members who have died over that time period. Lastly, I suppose it depends on what you consider "pretty good shape." All things taken into consideration, I see a family that some OC experts don't even recognize anymore. A family comparable to Buffalo, which also isn't recognized. A family that has likely been decimated by attrition and what remains doesn't go much beyond bookmaking. A family that essentially has one guy writing about it. A family that, even if we include it on the list of remaining families, would be dead last. Members/Possible Members who have died since 2000: Mateo "Mike Bartello" Bartolotta (2003) Carlo Bommarito (2007) Anthony "Tony Long" Cimini (2005) Anthony "Tony the Bull" Corrado (2002) Michael DiAngelo (2002) James "Vincent" Galici (2005) Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone (2001) Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr (2013) Vito "Billy Jack" Giacolone (2012) Jack "Jackie G" Gianosa (2003) Salvatore "Sammy G" Giordano (2002) Salvatore "Sammy Soup" Lentine (2002) Dominic Licavoli (2003) Salvatore "Soupy" Lentine (2002) Sam Lucido (2011) Peter "Milwaukee Pete" Maniaci (2003) Vincent "Little Vince" Meli (2006) Ronald Morelli (2000) Anthony "Pretty Boy Tony" Munaco (2005) Leonardo "Leo Monday" Monteleone (2006) Rafaela "Jimmy Q" Quassarano (2001) Joseph "Jo Jo" Ruggirello (2013) James "Jackie Two Guns" Russo (2012) Anthony "Tony T" Tocco (2012) Jack "Black Jack" Tocco (2014) William "Billy Boy" Tocco (2007) (suicide) Paul Tocco (2014) Daniel "The Trigger" Triglia (2013) Dominic "Lefty" Tringale (2007) Dominic Vaccari (2001) Frank "Chinky" Versaci (2012) Anthony "Tony Z" Zerilli (2015)
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
[Re: IvyLeague]
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01/30/16 01:23 AM
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Ivy - again you are not addressing my arguments or points, you just simply keep going back to the fact of no cases.. Why is it that you cannot at least meet in the middle and consider the social, economic, and law enforcement climate in Detroit as possible factors why their havent been any cases... It's extemporaneous frustrating and i think why others are getting on your case because you refuse to even consider the others side.. I mean i can sure acknowledge where you're coming from with a lack of cases being proof that the family isn't doing so well but yet you aren't able to see that based on the nature of the area, the resources of le etc....
Also ivy your not acknowledging my point that Detroit has had 1 made guy flip and has never had a huge rico case that took down the upper echelons of the admin for lengthy prison sentences...gametax is the only one and Tocco the boss did a little over a year. How can u argue the lack of mob cases is evidence theyre a struggling barely existant family when they have NEVER had many prosecutions and no significant cases and one rat ever. I mean to me theres your explanation as to why LE hasnt had any cases againgst them.. Bc theyre extemly tight knit, largely intermarried and related members who do not flip...
And by me stating this i am in no way affording them mythical status at all. Im not delusional enough to think theyre running a hugely profitable quiet fam that has their hooks in every facet of life in Detroit... I never once said that and to insinuate that is dumb and inaccurate.
But i will say again look at the outfit family secrets case, the commission case, the scarfo/stanfa cases, the gotti takedown, all the columbo cases , and the massino flipping case... Every other family besides detroit has had major rico indictments that took down multiple capos, bosses and decimated crews... Unless i am missing something Detroit NEVER has.. Gametax came close but their main target Tocco was out in a year... Idk how u can ignore the historical fact that they have not been decimated by LE and have had 1 made guy flip... To me thats crucial evidence proving they are a very secretive close knit family that is very hard to take down in larger scale (i know theyve had smaller cases im not dumb)
I know as a whole all mob families influence and power have diminished so please dont pull that bs that im saying theure all powerful. But u take the lack of le success and couple that w my previous agruments about Detroits other street crimes being focused on, the lack of le resources in general which is well documented, the state and govt funds being allocated to rebuild which u have to admit present opportunities for the mob... AND stability of the org that has had what 4 bosses in 100 years.. And compare that to other families and it's pretty clear that these are extremely valid logical explanations for the lack of mob cases and solid arguments as to the family quietly being in pretty good shape
Again ivy address my solid points and for fucks sake dont give cop out answers like im believing what i want or the lack of cases as ur only proof bc i have given u logical explanations for this.. I for one know ur a smart guy and are a genius researcher but im asking u to at least consider these arguments and concede something is possible, itd go a long way trust me.. Not askin u to agree but u dont have to fuckin just stonewall it and throw in little like digs and shit about delusional, fanboy, or believing what i want.. Not tryin to sound douchy but im not some dumb fuck i have a jd and im from philly i dont give a fuck if the detroit fam is 500 strong or comprised solely of fruitcakes..
Also uve mentioned attrition that theyve had like 30 members die since 2000? That number seems ridiculously high and im sure they have made members since then.. Do u have a source for any of that? Im not callin u a liar at wll, i just feel as if that may be inaccurate.. I have no source for to refute this nor do i have a source stating the fams made guys since, but being that they have a fully functioning administration and have 3-4 crews theres no way they havent had at least 2 making ceremonies in 15 years?
The social, economic, and law enforcement climate? I've already said that there have been several non-LCN gambling busts in Detroit in recent years. If there aren't the resources to go after bookies, or if there are bigger priorities, why are these operations getting busted? If the focus is on violent street gangs, cartels, terrorism, or political corruption, why can we go on the Detroit FBI website and see cases against other criminal enterprises? These factors you bring up only go so far and really don't explain away the lack of cases over the long run. I'm not ignoring the history of cases against Detroit or lack thereof. But at this stage it's largely beside the point. Even if you want to ignore or minimize the indictment factor, you can't ignore the attrition factor. See the list below. You also need to stop saying they have a fully functioning crew and 3-4 crews like it's established fact. Show me another source that says this but I've already explained why Scott's Internet charts don't cut it. And how is there no way they havent had at least 2 ceremonies in the last 15 years? Even Scott has only said he's heard rumors. But even if we assume they have, it's highly unlikely they have been able to make anywhere near the amount of members who have died over that time period. Lastly, I suppose it depends on what you consider "pretty good shape." All things taken into consideration, I see a family that some OC experts don't even recognize anymore. A family comparable to Buffalo, which also isn't recognized. A family that has likely been decimated by attrition and what remains doesn't go much beyond bookmaking. A family that essentially has one guy writing about it. A family that, even if we include it on the list of remaining families, would be dead last. Members/Possible Members who have died since 2000: Mateo "Mike Bartello" Bartolotta (2003) Carlo Bommarito (2007) Anthony "Tony Long" Cimini (2005) Anthony "Tony the Bull" Corrado (2002) Michael DiAngelo (2002) James "Vincent" Galici (2005) Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone (2001) Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr (2013) Vito "Billy Jack" Giacolone (2012) Jack "Jackie G" Gianosa (2003) Salvatore "Sammy G" Giordano (2002) Salvatore "Sammy Soup" Lentine (2002) Dominic Licavoli (2003) Salvatore "Soupy" Lentine (2002) Sam Lucido (2011) Peter "Milwaukee Pete" Maniaci (2003) Vincent "Little Vince" Meli (2006) Ronald Morelli (2000) Anthony "Pretty Boy Tony" Munaco (2005) Leonardo "Leo Monday" Monteleone (2006) Rafaela "Jimmy Q" Quassarano (2001) Joseph "Jo Jo" Ruggirello (2013) James "Jackie Two Guns" Russo (2012) Anthony "Tony T" Tocco (2012) Jack "Black Jack" Tocco (2014) William "Billy Boy" Tocco (2007) (suicide) Paul Tocco (2014) Daniel "The Trigger" Triglia (2013) Dominic "Lefty" Tringale (2007) Dominic Vaccari (2001) Frank "Chinky" Versaci (2012) Anthony "Tony Z" Zerilli (2015) Ivy my man I appreciate you posting deceased members..are u stating that there have not been any initiation ceremonies since?? I have stated based on what ive read that they have a boss, UB, consig, and 3-4 crews..how on earth does that make them dewd last among active families?? Jackie is cleary the boss and they for sure have at least 3 crews active there's no way they are last among a families and I dont believe u actually think that? Ivy you absolutely are ignoring the lack of case factors..if theyhave never been decimated by indictments and they have intermarried, inducted sons.and nephews of made guys going back generations why would you ignore the fact that they have never had many cases against their family let alone any major rico indictment like literally every other family? Again im not saying they have mythically maintained uninterrupted success but your talking About a family that has never been hit by a major rico case, never had more than 1 rat, has had 4 bosses in what 100 yearz? They clearly go about their business quietly and you have not argued against my points regarding the current social and economic climate in Detroit coupled with their historical lack of major cases against the Detroit lcn to explain the reason why their have not been any major cases? Again ivy you're a smart guy and im not considering this family as mythical or special..but cant u concede that based on this families close knit history and serious lack of major indictments coupled with the state of Detroit ive alluded to myltiple times that maybe just maybe this 110 yr old mob family that has been the mark of stability for over a century may possibly be doing better than you think?
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
[Re: Louiebynochi]
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I have no way of knowing for sure one way or the other if Detroit has had any ceremonies since 2000. I do know that, unlike other families still around, there's been no evidence of any. I'm sure some will attribute that to Detroit being so secretive but even Scott hasn't confirmed any. And he'd be all over that if it were so. I also do know it's highly unlikely they could make anywhere near the amount of members who have died since 2000. Just do the math. If even half those names I listed were members, we're looking at a much smaller family than some imagine.
Again, while I can believe they have some semblance of a hierarchy - that doesn't take much - I simply don't take Scott's charts at face value. And that's the only place you or anyone else have seen such a hierarchy. In fact, take away Scott altogether and we're probably not even having this debate.
I have not ignored your points. I just don't see them as a valid excuse to have the image of the family that you do. You can have the best run, most tight knit family, but if you don't have the manpower to sustain yourself it really doesn't matter.
Do I think it's possible they're doing better than I think? Let me put it this way. Let's see if the next 15 years will be the last 15 years. I'm betting they will be. I don't need to wait forever, or until Scott stops writing about them, to see the writing on the wall concerning this family. The question is, at what point do you finally write this family off?
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
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"Yet the organization "has not gone dormant," says Joseph M. Finnigan, organized crime supervisor for the FBI's Detroit office. Nor will it as long as people still play the numbers, call a bookie, gamble at an after-hours casino or arrange an illegal loan to cover their losses. New members have replaced the old, keeping the local Mafia's size at about 30." http://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Wise-guy-blabbermouths-damage-Detroit-Mob-s-image-2924863.phpSo obviously 10 or more people were inducted between 1997 and 2001. So why is it impossible when they have kids and relatives of there's that already have felony convictions for gambling to be made in the family. Your actually naive enough to think after all these years of there family being one way they stopped doing this. It's like saying Walmart and the Walton family stopped after all these years for no apparent reason. I'll quote the experts in the FBI "it's in there blood. It's all they know" KEITH CORBETT WHOS A MILLION TIMES MORE CREDIBLE THAN SOME FORUM POSTER "there's no reason to believe there's been a cessation in the criminal activities that have generated them income for close to 100 years"--2008 Sorry guys. I don't get sold by some snake oil salesman named Ivy League who is a member of law enforcement(probation officer). I tend to think Keith Corbett who headed the Detroit LCN squad until 2004 is a lot more credible than Ivy leauge aka the probation officer in utah
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
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I never said large robust , I said 25 members just like the last 35 years.
And for the record your a pompous, know it all, member of law enforcement piece of shit. Your world revolves around these forums it's all you got. You have fucked if your lucky 2 women in your life. Your arguments contradict themselves and you pick and choose which law enforcement statement works best for you. Or you decide the secretary of the United Nations is more credible than the head of the the Detroit LCN FBI squad . And you call yourself an expert. Your just a probation officer who has a secret fascination with gangsters and anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion including the FBI is a brainless fanboy.
Listen your opinion is much more credible than the Detroit FBI . You are much more of an expert
Hahhahaha get the fuck out of here
I'm surprised we have people on the forum a gangster forum supporting a member of law enforcement especially a probation officer who prolly shouldn't even work there and is unqualified cause of his secret fascination with gangsters Sounds like I touched a nerve, Louie. Louie mad! Louie angry! Louie not like to be called fanboy! Grrrrrr. Anyway, where do you get 25 members from? Thin air? Your ass? If it was 30 members 15 years ago, and so many have died since then, you really think they've made enough guys to be at 25 today? What am I talking about? Of course you do. It's not that I discount what the Detroit FBI says. I just look at all evidence and sources and what it tells me is that the UN report is correct. People have accused me in the past of blindly following the feds. But this is an example of me not doing that. Like I said, the Detroit FBI's action - or should I say inaction - speaks louder than anything they could say. Lastly, it's hilarious that you of all people say I have a fascination with gangsters. Anyone who is familiar with your posts going back years on the RD forum knows nobody worships these guys like you do Louie.
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
[Re: Louiebynochi]
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Nice try, louie. First, we've all seen that article. Most of the info came from Scott who, as we know, hasn't exactly been able to make his mind up when it comes to Detroit membership. In his own book, Motor City Mafia, he cited 25 members. But his later charts on the RD forum showed anywhere from 30 to almost 60. This 2011 article cites 40-50 members. Anyone who believes Detroit has anywhere near that many today is simply ignorant or going on wishful thinking. Also notice how much of that article is from the past. The last "big" case it cites, and which I've mentioned, is that 2006 glorified gambling bust. A few other small, peripheral gambling busts - the likes of which we've seen in Pittsburgh or Kansas City in recent years and nobody is claiming there's still a family there that's "alive, well, and racketeering." Look Huey...er...I mean Louie. If you want to believe the Detroit mob is still churning along at a high level, go ahead. But the last 10-15 years really hasn't shown that. And guess what? You're going to disappointed over the next 10-15 years too.
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
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02/02/16 07:48 AM
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This sh*t getting real old,nobody know the real size of the family move on.
From now on, nothing goes down unless I'm involved. No blackjack no dope deals, no nothing. A nickel bag gets sold in the park, I want in. You guys got fat while everybody starved on the street. Now it's my turn.
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Re: detroit LCN in the shadows article 2010
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This sh*t getting real old,nobody know the real size of the family move on. Maybe I,44 made men included boss,underboss and capos.Most of them had 70 or 80 y so for scure are retired or semi-retired and few are under 70 so few can go over the gambling and shylock operation. Nove Tocco the only rat,say that flipped to avoid to get 16 y and because the old men don't looked good that sell coke. Dominic Bommarito b.1926 maybe retired Jack "Jackie The Kid" Giacalone b.1951 Anthony "Chicago Tony" La Piana b.1942 Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr. Anthony "Tony Pal" Palazolla b.1940 Frank "Frankie The Bomb" Bommarito b.1929 Peter "Specs" Tocco b.1948 David "Ace" Aceto b.1958 Eugene "Genie Boy" Baratta John "J.P" Bommarito Matthew "Matty the Bomber" Bommarito Vincenzo "Vinnie Bro" Brozino Dominic "Chicago Dom" Corrado Paul "Big Paulie" Corrado Paul "Cousin Paulie" Corrado Peter "Fat Pete" Corrado Peter "Baby Bull" Corrado John D'intino b.1947 Don Fragale b.1943 Michael Galardi b.1947 Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr. Joseph "Joey Jack" Giacalone Joseph "Little Joey Jack" Giacalone Jack "Jackie the Nose/Jackie Jacks" Giacalone Robert "Bobby the Animal" La Puma b.1938 William "Billy Lee" Loiacano b.1927 Jack "Little Jack" Lucido Sebastian "Buster" Lucido Isodoro "Teddy San Diego" Matranga b.1948 Joseph Messina b.1958 Peter Messina b,1956 Anthony "Little Tony Pal" Palazzola b.1940 Salvatore "Little Sammy Pal" Palazzola Antonio "Toto" Ruggirello b.1935 John "Tony Bananas" Sciarotta b.1957 Anthony "Little Tony" Tocco, Jr. b.1931 Joseph Tocco Peter "Little Pete" Tocco, Jr. Salvatore "Mops" Tocco Joseph Tringale Sam Ventamillia Joe Vicarri Dominic "Fat Dom" Vivio Phillip Zerilli
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