Ivy wins the 'argument' hands down.

Sorry kids, but SB has posted questionable if not spurious 'reports' on more than one occasion.

I refer you to again, if needs be, Ivys citations above.

That there is disputes over Detriot is hardly surprising. That there is barely a legitimate family operating really shouldn't be.

The facts are clear. Whether you choose to accept them or not is up to you.

Grow up, put the 'easy' 'Ivy hating' aside and you'll see he's not arguing. He's trying to teach children something.