ivy stop attacking scott at every moment he is a well respected reporter in what he does for fucks sake his detroit stuff is good and those charts half of those guys he never said were made so i dont understand where you get it from "internet chart" where the fuck do you get this from you try and make him out to be this ed scarpo type not a well respected reporter
let me guess your talking about allen hilf well he died two years ago and if i remember rightly scott labeled him as "street counsel" which he was anyone who has done the slighted bit of reason even without scotts site would know hilf was very close to the giacalones and was seen as a advisor and prominent bookmaker
detroit has always had alot of associates then again you probably dont know that always had crews that are non italien working for them since the 40s. One of the top guys on the streets in the 80s was syrian
he said recently a year ago on the other site that he believed there was around 30 made guys today. Your right alot of guys have died but is it not possible to imagine there being new guys being inducted
Dont come out with that lack of indicments because the feds see it as a viable family they followed billy Jack around the feds in the mid to late 2000s some believe they even bugged the care home he was at before he died. Your forgetting what a mess Detroit is and the feds dont really have the resources to be building major indictments other more violent groups. The feds see them as a viable family
no one is saying they are some major family with control over unions what even you must be able to see that this is a viable family with a hierarchy if you cant see that with all the everdince available and not just scott either then i really dont know what to say
I've dealt with Scott on the boards long before any of you guys came around. On one hand, he does provide some good info about Detroit (though I think his best work was the Leonetti book). On the other hand, his charts - which he originally started posting on the RD forum years ago - caused a lot of debates. Over the years, they continually changed, ranging anywhere from 30 to almost 60 members. Some on the charts weren't even Italian. Only after a long time and a lot of fights did he admit that he doesn't differentiate between members and associates on his charts.
You'd think that would make more discerning posters at least look at other sources about Detroit but there have always been plenty of gullible types ready and willing to believe the family still has 40+ members - complete with boss, street boss, underboss, consigliere, several counselor emeritus, and several captains - still has significant labor union involvement, a good chunk of the Detroit drug trade, and operates in multiple states.
Again, I get that things can change to a point as Scott gets new info but it's obvious a lot of the time he's just making his best guess. And he's been way to free with slapping ranks on guys to make the family seem more hierarchical than it is. You say he thinks it's 30 now? Well, it wasn't that long ago it was 40. At least he's coming back down to earth.
And dont give me the tired excuse about there nor being the resources. There's also state law enforcement and we see non-LCN gambling cases in Detroit fairly frequently. My point is, if the family was in the state Scott has presented over the years, there would be more cases.
