Why would a poster give out sensitive info on an open internet forum? I seriously doubt those type of people are trusted by the higher ups. You may get some truths, but probably more half truths.

Ivy is right on the money. The info that almost always turns out to be correct is the one that comes from law enforcement sources.

That's always been my view. There are people who do know what's going on in the mob better than law enforcement - the mob itself. But how likely is it these people are posting away on an Internet forum?

And, how does being from an area automatically afford one special insight into things? As if you can somehow absorb info on the inner workings of the mob through your zip code.

Sure, some local guys can hear things here and there. They may see this or that mob guy from time to time. But this kind of thing isn't typically going to tell them for certain who's running things or give them the kind of info people claim it does. And, with the wealth of info available today, somebody on the other side of the planet can know just about as much as the local guy.

Cammarano has the backing of Asaro, Grimaldi, Mannone, Santora, Sciortino and Sclafani. It stands to reason that the Bonanno Family has a ruling panel in place. No one wants the Boss spot it seems except Mancuso, who they will give it to. So there Mancuso is the Boss, and with that title comes the misery.

Where does tommy D fits into all of this? does he still have his position when he returns?

So since we're using Newspaper articles, because you know, they get all their info from law enforcement which is always 100% legit. Are we just going to neglect the older article that GR mentioned in which Cammarano was mentioned as being from an opposing side of Palazzolo, who the article mentioned was Mancuso's latest attempt at retaining power, who at Mancuso's design was attempting to usurp the power of Cammarano, by meeting with Queens guys? The article implies he was seeking the backing for a move against Cammarano, this article mentioned Cammarano and those around him as having power. In the Asaro trial, Mancuso wasn't even named as boss at any point, it was Tommy DiFiore, whom law enforcement were calling the boss of the Bonanno's. So there you have two conflicting sources both coming from law enforcement. Yet because the law enforcement may have told the daily news, that Mancuso okayed it, we should believe it. Despite it being a complete contradiction from earlier reports, through the same exact paper?


And nobody is answering to Vic Amuso, except for maybe Nicky Scarfo Jr.

Anyone knows what ever happens with Nicky santoro. He was being held for the last 4 years on rikers. He and his co des started trial on a bunch of weird charges they were charged as a criminal ract shit. They were offers all like 10+ yrs and then it just dispeared out the news early last year. He was underboss PR maybe still is. There's a old article of Angelo prisco talking to his wired up driver in 03 04 saying mancuso is his friends and they'll make some deal on a electrical company doing the Italian festival somewhere.

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guys here is what gangland reported this is not the whole article not breaking any rules here

gangland article
Last month, Bonanno capo John Palazzolo was charged with meeting with mobsters involved in an ugly dispute with a rival faction that seemed headed for violence. Another alleged problem was that several of the wiseguys at the conclave were on Palazzolo's Do Not Associate list of men he'd been ordered to steer clear of when he got out of prison. Palazzolo is slated to plead guilty today to violating that ban, but he's actually catching a break since that's the least serious of several post-prison restrictions the 77-year-old mobster was charged with violating.

Sources say federal prosecutors and Probation Department officials agreed to permit Palazzolo to plead guilty to what is viewed as a "technical violation" of his supervised release conditions because they have no evidence to back up the more serious charges that were lodged based on allegations provided by the NYPD's Organized Crime Investigation Division.

According to court records, OCID detectives reported that Palazzolo "had recently been elevated to Acting Street Boss of the Bonanno family" by the imprisoned official boss, Michael (Mikey Nose) Mancuso. The promotion was allegedly a Mancuso bid to thwart a push by a rival faction headed by capo Joseph Cammarano Jr. to take over the crime family. Cammarano is the son of the late underboss, Joseph (Joe Saunders) Cammarano, who died in prison at age 77 two years ago.

OCID also told the feds that Mancuso was using a "nephew" named Frank (Frankie Boy) Salerno, a recent inductee into the crime family, to deliver messages to Palazzolo regarding the feud with Cammarano Jr. The feds confirmed that Salerno did in fact meet with Palazzolo and other wiseguys in Queens hours after he met with Mancuso at the federal prison in Danbury on March 23, but sources say they were unable to back up the charge involving potential violence.

The charge of associating with reputed organized crime figures calls for a recommended return to prison of eight to 14 months. But sources say that prosecutors Nicole Argentiere and Alicyn Cooley have agreed with a request by defense attorney Flora Edwards to seek a prison term below the maximum called for by the sentencing guidelines.

According to court papers, Palazzolo "associated" with three mobsters on his proscribed list: former consigliere Anthony (Fat Anthony) Rabito and wiseguys John (Johnny Mulberry) Sciremammano and Pasquale (Patty Boy) Maiorino.

Edwards filed a notice stating that her client, who has been behind bars since his March 27 arrest, has agreed to plead guilty to the charge. But neither she nor prosecutors wanted to talk about it. None responded to Gang Land requests for details about the plea deal.




also in a earlier article capeci said there was more guys at that meeting i did not know where there also alot of guys got there button this is not the full article not breaking any rules

n their court papers, the prosecutors asked Brooklyn Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis to detain Palazzolo as a danger to the community for violating his post prison restrictions against meeting with mobsters. Prosecutors also cited the aging mobster for "agreeing to assume a leadership position in a violent criminal enterprise."

Also attending the restaurant session, prosecutors wrote, were John (Johnny Mulberry) Sciremammano, 68; Pasquale (Patty Boy) Maiorino, 65; Enzo (The Baker) Stagno, 41; and Robert Caroleo, 71. Except for Caroleo, all have criminal records. But only two attendees, Sciremammano and Maiorino, were on the long list of organized crime figures that the Probation Department, which gets its info from the FBI, ordered Palazzolo to avoid.

OCID, the FBI, and the U.S. Attorney's office declined to discuss the apparent discrepancy between the respective mob rosters of "made men" cited by OCID and the FBI. Traditionally, the FBI has had more stringent rules about identifying a known associate as a member of an organized crime family.

Gang Land, which has its own high standards on the touchy subject of mob membership, hears from various sources that the Bonannos have made many new members in recent months. Allegedly, as many as 12 new members have been inducted. Sources say Frankie Boy Salerno may be one of them, if only to legitimize Mancuso's use of his nephew as a go-between with other members of the crime family.

In addition to meeting the two mobsters on the "do not associate with" list, on March 23, prosecutors wrote that Palazzolo should be detained for having conducted a lengthy meeting the day before with onetime family consigliere Anthony (Fat Anthony) Rabito in the parking lot of the Nevada Diner in Elmhurst.

In recent court sessions Palazzolo attorney Flora Edwards argued that her client "was about two and a half weeks out of surgery." Citing his poor health, the lawyer argued for home confinement rather than detention in the Metropolitan Detention Center. In a court hearing this week, Garaufis declined to remand Palazzolo, but agreed to revisit the issue later this month after Edwards submits evidence that detention at the MDC would be dangerous to her client's health.

But Garaufis has indicated that might be a hard argument to for her to win.

"I am sympathetic, but the fact of the matter is we wouldn't be here except for his alleged conduct," the judge said at a hearing last month. "He goes to lunch for hours on end and meets these people in diner parking lots. So, you can argue that he's sick, but you can also argue that, notwithstanding his medical problems, he's fit enough to engage in social contacts or other contacts with those with whom he has a relationship."

Nobody said newspaper articles are always right. But even they have a better track record than the speculators on these forums. That's the main point more than anything. Some people on these forums are so quick to dismiss news articles or even the feds but they swallow what some nameless, faceless poster throws out hook, line, and sinker. That makes zero sense. Again, news articles aren't always right but why give Internet speculation the benefit of the doubt?




This is a good example of what I'm talking about. You have no way of knowing that. Just more speculation.

Inside the Bonanno crime family's SI Christmas party
JOHN MARZULLI
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
January 20, 2016

It was a “family” Christmas.

The newly minted Bonanno boss Joseph Cammarano Jr., hosted the crime family's annual Christmas party at an Italian restaurant on Staten Island that was voted one of the best eateries in the city by the Zagat guide.

The six-hour food fest was held from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Dec. 16 at Bocelli Restaurant on Hylan Blvd. under the watchful eyes and cameras of the FBI and the NYPD, according to papers filed in Brooklyn Federal Court.

It was mandatory attendance for the crime family's administration, which included reputed consigliere Anthony Rabito and more than a dozen capos and soldiers, the court filings say.

The Old World-style restaurant is located in a strip mall, but the Zagat guide praised the upscale food at Manhattan prices.

A Mafia family Christmas party is held so the mob minions make a pilgrimage to the boss and give him an envelope stuffed with cash.

Former boss Joseph Massino used to hold the party in his restaurant, Casablanca, in Queens.

Cammarano, 56, controls the family's "day-to-day criminal activities," according to court papers.

Cammarano's promotion to acting underboss and street boss, exclusively reported Monday in The Daily News, is a sign that the beleaguered family is trying to rebuild after the prosecutions and defections of its members in recent years.

Bocelli's owner did not return a call seeking comment about the Christmas party.
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-cr...ticle-1.2503900

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I think everyone here forgets the 100 or so years of tradition where the boss is the boss until he dies and the fact that there's a reason why Vic amuso is still the boss and Mancuso was elected boss even though he's in jail...THERE BOTH STONE COLD KILLERS ...Mancuso shot his wife In the face,what do you think he do to joe cammarano jr if he tried to take over the family?? and we all know about Vic amuso......amuso gets money to this day...he's the boss and he's the boss until he dies or steps down voluntarily...that hasn't changed in a 100 years

I don't think you guys understand that these guys don't have permanent 'factions'. One crews physical location doesn't determine who they support as boss, let alone their own capo. Choosing sides is part of the life these guys have survived some vicious years under scrutiny too. This guy seems capable imo, he could last 5 years, he could last 5 months. I'm willing to bet in the next year capaci writes about a power struggle involving this guy and the nose lol.

I really tend to agree with Ivy on this point as well, but I would caution using the newspapers or really most indictments to be more focused these days on selling headlines and promotions than getting these guys official titles correct.

Just my two cents. Peace fellas

Thanks for posting, Ivy. It seems like any time a Bonanno captain takes a shit, it's reported.

Anthony Calabrese and Vito balsamo are major players

Mancuso might be boss but from all accounts he does not get on with this guy so it is interesting who knows what's going to happen or is happening that guy getting parole violated that tells us that's not a safe leadership in that family

How can vic amuso be calling shots when everything he say and do is being watched and recorded...he would be in a 23-1 quicker then you could blank

Also we would learn more about the situation with the bonannos when tommy d and pollazano gets out

Mancuso is stupid, don't be suprised if he gets hit with running a criminal enterprise from behind bars right before he gets out so this topic might be mute

You could ask the same thing about Carmine Persico but I don't see anyone questioning if he's really still the boss.

Anyway, in his article today Capeci confirms that Mancuso is official boss, Cammarano is official underboss/acting street boss, and Rabito is consigliere.

Vic amuso and Mancuso has ways of getting messages out especially through lawyers and plain old fashioned jail house tricks

Vic Amuso isn't giving out orders to anyone. It's crazy how some actually believe this stuff. Where is the recent Lucchese indictments that has shown and stated that anyone on the street answers to Vic Amuso? There aren't any. The last indictment to come down, which mentioned Vic Amuso, was the Scarfo Jr/FirstPlus thing, which is why I said what I said. Both Amuso & Scarfo Sr were named as unindicted co-conspirators, because money was supposed to be going from Pellulo & Nicky Jr, to Amuso & Scarfo Sr. Does that mean Scarfo Sr is the boss of the Philadelphia mob because one guy, his son at that, is sending him cash? No. Because no other Philly indictments of the recent past, has named Scarfo as the boss. It's the same exact thing with Vic Amuso.

"Lawyers and plain old fashioned jail house tricks"...This isn't the 70s guy. Who are Amuso's lawyers? Do you have any names? Any appeals been tried lately by Amuso? I'll wait...


And the most recent Bonanno indictment, the Vincent Asaro/Lufthansa indictment, Mancuso was NEVER named as boss, it was Tommy DiFiore. Again, these are indictments, the very same thing you like to go by Ivy, because it's law enforcement. You're going to give the Daily News more credence than an actual indictment?


And Ralphie or whoever else can call on the internet speculation and all that, and be right on one end. Yet at the very same time refuse to acknowledge that guys like PB, which you even stated yourself Ivy, is arguably one of the two most reliable sources on NY Bonanno's. He's never given reason to doubt, and because you've agreed to disagree with him at one time, doesn't mean your opinion is actually the right one. There is a such thing as street knowledge, and PB has always put that forward and like I said, has never given any of us, throughout all his time posting to doubt him. Considering that, when a guy like him says Mancuso isn't the boss, and he gets no love from within his own family, I personally, have little reason to doubt it. That's just me. Especially when news articles tend to contradict themselves and state at one point that Cammarano was apart of an opposing side of Pallazolo & Mancuso, then says Cammarano is the boss and all of a sudden Mancuso okayed it. Then Capeci puts out an article stating that while Pallazolo was trying to move up, at the behest of Mancuso, Cammarano had aspirations of moving up as well, and when he says a war was on the verge of breaking out because Pallazolo who was backed by Mancuso and his nephew, didn't find it so easy to get guys to back them, because Cammarano was in the picture. And then he ultimately jumps to the conclusion that Cammarano is boss because Pallazolo is back in jail, and then all of a sudden once again, after earlier most likely having the will to kill the guy, Mancuso okayed Cammarano's position. Capeci contradicted himself multiple times in the article, and in the end, all it did was give out the impression that Mancuso has no actual say on the street, outside of relatives.

the reason people probably believe persico is still firmly in control of the Colombos is because the majority of the family are related to him one way or another , that's why it's more plausible , can the same be said for amuso and mancuso ??? I say NO

Like I said, the FBI said in fairly recent court testimony that Amuso is still the boss. Capeci went as far as to retract what he had said and reaffirm Amuso is still the boss. What more do you need? Gotti was never indicted again after he went to prison. Does that mean he wasn't the boss anymore?

With all due respect to PB on this, he's wrong about Mancuso. And so are the rest of you who are STILL too stubborn to admit it. It's no longer just the Daily News saying it. We also have Capeci and a federal detention memo saying the same thing - that Mancuso is official boss. And that's different from what was said about DiFiore - that he was only acting boss. Anyone who gives more credence to an Internet poster, no matter who it is, than Capeci and law enforcement is a fool.

And I figured that once it was further verified Mancuso is the boss, the song and dance would change with you guys and you'd say hes just boss in name only. Hard time appointing his acting boss? Persico had most of his family rebelling against him at one point. Was he no longer the boss?



I'm aware of that but the argument was how could Amuso still be giving orders when he's in prison. You could say the same thing about Persico, or Gigante and Gotti before they died, but nobody is questioning if they were the boss.

IVY LEAGUE: I'm aware of that but the argument was how could Amuso still be giving orders when he's in prison. You could say the same thing about Persico, or Gigante and Gotti before they died, but nobody is questioning if they were the boss.

Not to stir up more shit but, didn't Amuso get word out of prison to have Scarfo Jr. straighten out with his family? There are others in prison, less known who I'm sure can pass out info to the outside on behalf of any Boss or captain.

The capo chilli was violated did like a year got off parole and was at this Christmas party. He's a lifer. The daily news posted some pics. Like the judge said same old story. The feds crushed this family put like 2/3 of the family away for a decade and they picked up right were they left off. This new boss seems highly respected he got a old guy like chilli coming up from Florida to pay his respects. Side note one of chilli's kids a made guy just did 25 yes he probably there.

Unless there is a soldier or capo posting on this forum you cannot accept someone's word as the be all and end all.

How much could someone reasonably know, regardless of their geographical location?

You may be a knockaround guy or hear something from someone who knows someone who knows someone who babysat the son of someone who knows someone who is in the mafia but to me, that sounds like a great way of knowing a morsel of what's really going on and when you pass it through the wires, that sliver of truth gets lost in translation.

I'm sorry. The Feds word and Capeci's word is what I'm going with. Even when they're wrong they probably know more than the "insiders".

As Ralphie said. You think someone is going to air someone else's - a mobster of all people - dirty laundry on a forum if they are really close to these people?

Would they really have the balls?

And you think it's that hard for the Amuso, Persico, Gigante or Gotti's to pass on orders from prison?

Look at some of the jailhouse pics that make it look like they are at holiday camp. It can't be that hard.

This is an interesting debate, I got a few questions;
Why exactly can't you all be right at the same time? The argument, the key argument to me, seems to be if Mancuso has ANY power at all. It seems clear he has some power, also seems clear there are factions in the family that he has to respect and appease in order to keep his own power secure. What the fuck exactly is new about any of this? How is this situation, (minus Galante) any different from the Rastelli situation? Wasn't he official boss too? And didn't he have difficulty with the powerful factions in the family? Wasn't he in jail most of his reign, and dependent on the capabilities of the guys on the street loyal to him?
It seems clear to me, Mancuso HAS to have the backing of at least two of the families, it seems to be where a lot of his authority comes from. You kinda gotta ask yourself, WHY is Mancuso powerful, someone mentioned he had to have been made boss when he was still locked up. Maybe the other family bosses see that as an attractive situation. Any joint operations, or anything new, Mancuso couldn't be privy to because he's been inside, plus he doesn't talk, so maybe the other fams don't give a fuck if he killed his wife, maybe it's more important to them that they have a guy in that spot that just shuts his mouth first, everything else they are like, " Well, we can deal with it.."
This thing about him killing his wife, I gotta say, come on, guys done waaaaay worse shit than that that the mob has overlooked. The genovese despising him for that? The same fam that woulda made Granello,boss if Genovese said so? Same fam with, who was it? Trigger Mike that did abortions for fun or some shit?
I honestly think you guys just like to argue lol, any thoughts...

Can you use paragraphs? Seriously no idea about anything you said because that shit gives me eye cancer.

Fucking hell, i spot a Mancuso reference or two along with the obligatory BIG CAPITALIZED IMPORTANT WORDS

Thanks for proving my point exactly, Caramel (And if you want to start off nasty, get the fuck outta my face with that sweet ass name lol)
But back to the point, you had nothing to add to the discussion, but an insult, starting a useless arguement...
I suppose I COULD go back and edit the post, just for you, lol. But you didn't ask nice...

And I actually did make paragraphs, for some reason my indentations don't carry over, it's something like the auto spell check thing....