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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869216
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Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew?

Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869227
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I don't believe in the 4 factions thing...no matter how you cut it all crews is giving joey his cut...borgessi was told to go and earn and thats what he's doing. Borgessi probally got kicked down to captin and now he's starting his own crew...in a couple of years someone in his crew will get made


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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: Southphilly4ever] #869262
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Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew?


I heard the Salvo brothers were seen with Borgesi a few times and might be working with him


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I don't believe in the 4 factions thing...no matter how you cut it all crews is giving joey his cut...borgessi was told to go and earn and thats what he's doing. Borgessi probally got kicked down to captin and now he's starting his own crew...in a couple of years someone in his crew will get made


I think that are 4 factions only in the name;IMO there the guys that fight with Joey against Stanfa and the Scarfo Era old boys that made many y in jail and want a promotion for keep the mouth shut.Skinny stay in Boca and don't want some get angry in Philly with the risk of made the end of bruno and testa.

Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869277
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Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
Thanks for the responses.....There may not be a war in philly but I think I hit on a warring topic.

Are there even 3 factions within like Anastasia said? If war was to break out, which faction would reign supreme? Does anyone in philly's administration have any connection to NY in 2015 or, are they all alone since the Natale/Merlino vs. Stanfa days?


Good point , And it my just be starting to develop with just about everyone back on the street and several new guys and several guys Around .

Eventually that's what you will see someone getting close to a family in NY like Skinny has made a point of lately himself .

Skinny has been busy trying to do the right thing to watch his back he has been networking a bit lately .
Wonder if that has anything to do with watching his back .


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Originally Posted By: Serpiente
Originally Posted By: ItalianIrishMix
Thanks for the responses.....There may not be a war in philly but I think I hit on a warring topic.

Are there even 3 factions within like Anastasia said? If war was to break out, which faction would reign supreme? Does anyone in philly's administration have any connection to NY in 2015 or, are they all alone since the Natale/Merlino vs. Stanfa days?


Good point , And it my just be starting to develop with just about everyone back on the street and several new guys and several guys Around .

Eventually that's what you will see someone getting close to a family in NY like Skinny has made a point of lately himself .

Skinny has been busy trying to do the right thing to watch his back he has been networking a bit lately .
Wonder if that has anything to do with watching his back .



Joey spends most of his time in South Florida. Granted, he's been to Philly twice this fall, but the guy that truly seems to be pulling the strings is Stevie. If there are any strings left to pull that is. It's so watered down. I wouldn't be surprised if it's every man for himself at this point. The country is certainly big enough, and that could explain why we're not seeing any violence.

Anyone have any idea who those new guys might be?

Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869303
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Thoughts of philly being finished is premature...we wouldn't know what thier really up to until the next indictment


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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869309
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Most depend if nicodemo will continue to don't flip or if get 50 y and will think to his beautiful wife that must grow their 3 sons alone ...

Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: Southphilly4ever] #869310
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Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew?

According to this week's Gang Land:

"The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.

A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."


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They have a full administration and 4 active crews. How are they not active? From everything I've read, there is still a lot of gambling and loan sharking money to be made. Those poker machines alone made millions for a couple of guys.


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Originally Posted By: Ted
They have a full administration and 4 active crews. How are they not active? From everything I've read, there is still a lot of gambling and loan sharking money to be made. Those poker machines alone made millions for a couple of guys.


No doubt Ted , I just thought the different heads or skippers or other would have pushed back more obvious than it's been .

There is something up other then a Standard New York style family . But this is not uncommon it was not till Bruno that the family had structure similar to New York .

If you look at Philly before Bruno/ Scarfo it was all separate families or each crew had their own boss or head up family divided mostly by Sicilian Calabrese .

It is a wait and see type of thing . Obvious Skinny is at the top of his.



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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: Ted] #869334
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Originally Posted By: Ted
[quote=Southphilly4ever]
"The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.

A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."


Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made?
Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ?

Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869339
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S-mob 12 Georgie was on Georgia ave in front of the office toward the end way more then Skinny was .
I don't know if that helps - toward the end Skinny had just about embarrassed every one that had his back .
Georgie was around Nick jr and his crowd ...but always with Scarf guys .....

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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: sickstylemob12] #869340
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Originally Posted By: sickstylemob12
Originally Posted By: Ted
[quote=Southphilly4ever]
"The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.

A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."


Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made?
Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ?

Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s.


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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869348
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"He told me he was the `coon-see' (consigliere)," Aponick said. He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.

Borgesi is the only one of seven defendants in that case still in jail.

"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."



Maybe this is why Borgesi is so pissed. When Merlino took over it was suppose to be the three of them on top. Now it's Merlino, Mazzone and Johnny Ciancaglini. And isn't Ciancaglini running Delaware County now (Borgesi's old territory)?


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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: ItalianIrishMix] #869350
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Johnny Chang is supposedly the guy in Delaware County now. So you could have a point.

Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: Ted] #869352
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Originally Posted By: Ted
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Originally Posted By: Ted
[quote=Southphilly4ever]
"The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.

A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."


Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made?
Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ?

Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s.


Who made Merlino? Was it Stanfa?

Who was he made with...what year?

I used to know but cant remember

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I don't know how accurate this is:

The older Sicilian Don was incensed at their disrespectful behaviour calling them “cuckolds” disgusted at their lavish nights out and ostentatious clothes. Tension began to rise in the Philadelphia underworld between the two rival factions. However Stanfa believed that he could placate the young mobsters and keep a closer eye on them by initiating them into the crime family. He also thought they would be easier to kill as members of the mafia because one of the rules is that you have to attend a meeting when your boss demands it. Joey Merlino and his best friend Michael Ciancaglini were inducted into the Philadelphia Mafia by John Stanfa at a making ceremony in September 1992.
https://globalmafianews.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/the-life-and-crimes-of-joey-merlino/


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Sounds about right

I thought it was Stanfa

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Can someone post the articles from gangland on here or no?


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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war? [Re: Serpiente] #869437
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Originally Posted By: Serpiente
Originally Posted By: Ted
They have a full administration and 4 active crews. How are they not active? From everything I've read, there is still a lot of gambling and loan sharking money to be made. Those poker machines alone made millions for a couple of guys.


No doubt Ted , I just thought the different heads or skippers or other would have pushed back more obvious than it's been .

There is something up other then a Standard New York style family . But this is not uncommon it was not till Bruno that the family had structure similar to New York .

(If you look at Philly before Bruno/ Scarfo it was all separate families or each crew had their own boss or head up family divided mostly by Sicilian Calabrese .)

It is a wait and see type of thing . Obvious Skinny is at the top of his !!!


... ...the riccobene faction,the north jersey faction,& old man rugnetta w/ his crew....


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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
"They're fighting over coffins or prison cells."


That's one of Ol' Georgie's favorite lines, according to him Maria Merlino said that on a taped telephone conversation..

Kinda feel sorry for the woman how Salvie Testa ditched her not long before they were supposed to get married.
I also always wondered how she looked..


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She looks like Joey with long hair, same body type as well.

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Originally Posted By: Scalish
She looks like Joey with long hair, same body type as well.


Haha, now I'm picturing a transvestite, that doesn't do her any good LOL


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Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew?

According to this week's Gang Land:

"The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.

A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."


Delaware county? So who are the hardened corner guys that one report a few weeks back suggested Borgesi had with him?

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I think it's referring to his old business partners.


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I think they are probably more concerned with making money than with starting a war. I don't think mob wars are how the mob earns money.

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Originally Posted By: Ted
[i]"He told me he was the `coon-see' (consigliere)," Aponick said. He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.
"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."[/i

[quote=Ted][quote=sickstylemob12][quote=Ted][quote=Southphilly4ever]
"Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s.


I thought Johnny Chang was made before all of them ,By Scarfo.... ?

Wonder how much Uncle Joe was making as acting boss and how much he was putting to the side for the 3 of them. (Joey , Georgie , Stevie ) if that was the situation they made . 25% ea? .

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Originally Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
"They're fighting over coffins or prison cells."


That's one of Ol' Georgie's favorite lines, according to him Maria Merlino said that on a taped telephone conversation..

Kinda feel sorry for the woman how Salvie Testa ditched her not long before they were supposed to get married.
I also always wondered how she looked..


Skinnys sister was cute !!! Not a supermodel . But for Salvie to put a ring on her finger she must of been something. The girls he had down here were drop dead gorgeous so she must of had something to her .
She was able to catch her self a second millionaire and this one married her !!!

She also had her nails in a couple Philadelphia Flyers back in the day ...

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