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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew? I heard the Salvo brothers were seen with Borgesi a few times and might be working with him
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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Thanks for the responses.....There may not be a war in philly but I think I hit on a warring topic.
Are there even 3 factions within like Anastasia said? If war was to break out, which faction would reign supreme? Does anyone in philly's administration have any connection to NY in 2015 or, are they all alone since the Natale/Merlino vs. Stanfa days? Good point , And it my just be starting to develop with just about everyone back on the street and several new guys and several guys Around . Eventually that's what you will see someone getting close to a family in NY like Skinny has made a point of lately himself . Skinny has been busy trying to do the right thing to watch his back he has been networking a bit lately . Wonder if that has anything to do with watching his back .
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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Thanks for the responses.....There may not be a war in philly but I think I hit on a warring topic.
Are there even 3 factions within like Anastasia said? If war was to break out, which faction would reign supreme? Does anyone in philly's administration have any connection to NY in 2015 or, are they all alone since the Natale/Merlino vs. Stanfa days? Good point , And it my just be starting to develop with just about everyone back on the street and several new guys and several guys Around . Eventually that's what you will see someone getting close to a family in NY like Skinny has made a point of lately himself . Skinny has been busy trying to do the right thing to watch his back he has been networking a bit lately . Wonder if that has anything to do with watching his back . Joey spends most of his time in South Florida. Granted, he's been to Philly twice this fall, but the guy that truly seems to be pulling the strings is Stevie. If there are any strings left to pull that is. It's so watered down. I wouldn't be surprised if it's every man for himself at this point. The country is certainly big enough, and that could explain why we're not seeing any violence. Anyone have any idea who those new guys might be?
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew? According to this week's Gang Land: "The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners. A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante."
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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They have a full administration and 4 active crews. How are they not active? From everything I've read, there is still a lot of gambling and loan sharking money to be made. Those poker machines alone made millions for a couple of guys. No doubt Ted , I just thought the different heads or skippers or other would have pushed back more obvious than it's been . There is something up other then a Standard New York style family . But this is not uncommon it was not till Bruno that the family had structure similar to New York . If you look at Philly before Bruno/ Scarfo it was all separate families or each crew had their own boss or head up family divided mostly by Sicilian Calabrese . It is a wait and see type of thing . Obvious Skinny is at the top of his.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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[quote=Southphilly4ever] "The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.
A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante." Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made? Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ?
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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[quote=Southphilly4ever] "The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.
A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante." Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made? Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ? Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s.
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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"He told me he was the `coon-see' (consigliere)," Aponick said. He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.
Borgesi is the only one of seven defendants in that case still in jail.
"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."
Maybe this is why Borgesi is so pissed. When Merlino took over it was suppose to be the three of them on top. Now it's Merlino, Mazzone and Johnny Ciancaglini. And isn't Ciancaglini running Delaware County now (Borgesi's old territory)?
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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[quote=Southphilly4ever] "The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners.
A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante." Who is Merlino closer with between the two of them ( Borgesi / Angelina. ? Was Borgesi made By Stanfa ? When was Angelina made? Borgesi was around Scarfo and crew ( in few pictures ) so is the old Scarfo guys somewhat closer to him then Merlino ? Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s. Who made Merlino? Was it Stanfa? Who was he made with...what year? I used to know but cant remember
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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Can someone post the articles from gangland on here or no?
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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They have a full administration and 4 active crews. How are they not active? From everything I've read, there is still a lot of gambling and loan sharking money to be made. Those poker machines alone made millions for a couple of guys. No doubt Ted , I just thought the different heads or skippers or other would have pushed back more obvious than it's been . There is something up other then a Standard New York style family . But this is not uncommon it was not till Bruno that the family had structure similar to New York . (If you look at Philly before Bruno/ Scarfo it was all separate families or each crew had their own boss or head up family divided mostly by Sicilian Calabrese .) It is a wait and see type of thing . Obvious Skinny is at the top of his !!! ... ...the riccobene faction,the north jersey faction,& old man rugnetta w/ his crew....
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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"They're fighting over coffins or prison cells." That's one of Ol' Georgie's favorite lines, according to him Maria Merlino said that on a taped telephone conversation.. Kinda feel sorry for the woman how Salvie Testa ditched her not long before they were supposed to get married. I also always wondered how she looked..
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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Does anyone know anything about who these guys in Borgesi's crew are? Perhaps the same group of guys often seen around his brother in South Philly or a different crew? According to this week's Gang Land: "The volatile Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew, is still moving and shaking in Delaware County just outside of Philadelphia where he is believed to have re-established connections with his former sports betting and loansharking partners. A dispute over those businesses is what caused the bad blood between Borgesi and Angelina, a longtime Merlino confidante." Delaware county? So who are the hardened corner guys that one report a few weeks back suggested Borgesi had with him?
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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[i]"He told me he was the `coon-see' (consigliere)," Aponick said. He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case. "He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."[/i
[quote=Ted][quote=sickstylemob12][quote=Ted][quote=Southphilly4ever] "Borgesi was made by Merlino. I think the only ones that were made by Sanfa were Merlino and Michael Ciangalini, both in 1989 I think. Merlino/Stanfa made Johnny Ciangalini, Borgesi, Angelina and Lancalotti and others. And Merlino's crew were basically descendants of the Scarfo guys so there is probably a lot of pics of them together from the 1980s. I thought Johnny Chang was made before all of them ,By Scarfo.... ? Wonder how much Uncle Joe was making as acting boss and how much he was putting to the side for the 3 of them. (Joey , Georgie , Stevie ) if that was the situation they made . 25% ea? .
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Re: Why is Philly so quiet, where is the war?
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"They're fighting over coffins or prison cells." That's one of Ol' Georgie's favorite lines, according to him Maria Merlino said that on a taped telephone conversation.. Kinda feel sorry for the woman how Salvie Testa ditched her not long before they were supposed to get married. I also always wondered how she looked.. Skinnys sister was cute !!! Not a supermodel . But for Salvie to put a ring on her finger she must of been something. The girls he had down here were drop dead gorgeous so she must of had something to her . She was able to catch her self a second millionaire and this one married her !!! She also had her nails in a couple Philadelphia Flyers back in the day ...
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