If a mobster is lending money to union members and handling their action, can't that easily lead to labor racketeering? Or wouldn't it if LE didn't step in?

Maybe I should have said that the statement in the article, although Scott Did NOT write it this way, can be open for interpretation that ether: George is surrounding himself with union thugs, and is gonna corrupt them OR: a couple of guys George hangs out with are in the union.

I choose to believe the latter. You brought up labor racketeering. I'm not sure if a convicted mobster taking action from some blue collar guys constitutes racketeering. If so, is it because he's a mobster? Because there is gambling? Or both? Without George, gambling happens all day every day on jobs. For example, the paycheck lottery, football pools, etc. there's fights, drug dealing, all kinds of nonsense.

I would hesitate to believe that borgesi, or anyone from philly is infiltrating these unions here. I am very close with someone who is in a very high position in the union. He flat out told me that they have a lot of mob corruption in north jersey but none down in philly or south jersey, for this particular trade. And he was pretty confident that other trades were clean too; at least down here. He would know, you just have to take my word on that.

Look at the iron workers case recently with Dougherty. No mob connection whatsoever.

I took a long path to explain why I think the statement can mean both ends of the spectrum. Based on what I know and see, I choose to believe George has friends who have union day jobs and do things with him, outside of their day job. If anything, they are getting book/shy clients. Not infiltrating the union. No union president or delegate currently in any position of power is gonna get jammed up on something major down here. They've been around too long. And these union guys down here have been fighting to survive for years. Most of them don't know or care about any gangsters. It's just another person they gotta prevent from stealing from their retirement.

Whip right on as usual .The unions down here are 30% of what they were just 15 years ago.
This has trickled down to the working guy to the point the most guys that are 55 that worked the 90's and 2000's are now out and retired.(all most forced out)

They have left due to new contracts and government guidelines and outside pressure and the economy.

The guy now will have to work 35 years to get a twenty year annuity.The work is just not there.

This has forced thousands of union guys out" to get a other income" and i am sure many has gone to the mob , but the the guys that have gone there are not you high ranking members they are the work force . (the regular Joe)

So if Georgie has union guys it's everything on the fringes from food truck to sports betting ...

I don't think he is infiltrating unions like the 80's

What I meant was that if Borgesi knows and does some business with a bunch of union guys couldn't it eventually lead to labor racketeering? You and Serp answered that question anyways. Thanks.

Gambling and loansharking is one way that the mob has fleeced union members over the years. Though not labor racketeering in itself, theoretically those connections and interactions could lead to forms of labor racketeering like no show jobs and what not.

But it's true about labor racketeering involving the Philadelphia family being virtually non-existent. And the few cases I'm aware of have been very minor, ie a member of IBT Local 107 barred for associating with an LCN member, Ligambi getting health and welfare benefits from the IBT through his no show job at Top Job Disposal, etc.

Out of the main merlino guys, Stevie, Georgie, lance, Marty, nicodemo, and wagners, and whoever I left off, who are the real tough guys that can dish out a beating with there hands or any one know real stories that happen, I'm so curious because these guys always resort to killing and it makes me think they can't fight with there hands, anyone know any stories?
Much appreciated

I think George is working there and slowly gaining a following, a lot of people probably join his group considering he was forever in the merlino top 3, if you want my guess I bet he is the real killer out of them and I don't think merlino or mazzone would even bother messing with him, he is the only one n Marty, that I haven't seem a pic of them since they've been released, any info on that.

In a fight I wouldn't bet against a man who has killed and has no remorse over it.

The posters over at RD strongly disagree with the report that Narducci and Pung are kicking up and that they are in any way on good terms with the Philly family.

Do any mid level Philly guys show any legitimate income?

There is one picture of Borgesi leaving the courthouse after his acquittal.

not sure i know nicdemeo was worth a million when he went away

On the Nicodemo wealth matter...I respectfully differ in opinion. I don't believe this to be accurate.

You can find some of his property holdings online.

All this talk of separate crews or heads of crews ect. are classic Philly.

It was not till A. Bruno & Nick sr. tried to bring a regular LCM structure to Philly and the tri state.

Then Nick sr. tried it " it has not worked. something like my father and grand dad told me the tri state has always been separate families or crews with there own head of the families.

I don't know how else to say it but maybe it is what it was and they don't want a war like when Nick sr . pulled it all together it cots lives and put many in the joint.

It just could be the way it always was !!!!!
And we are looking into it way to much ..

Lou Fazzini also has/had a no show job at a disposal company. Johnny Chang owns a legitimate construction company.

Ted- lou is still just a soldier in Scoops crew corrct? Thought I read somewhere he was acting capo for a little stretch cant recall where but Scoops was still the official skipper?

Where does their Newark/Scoops crew fit in with all these separate factions? I know its not 1978 anymore and that crew doesnt have the power or reach it had then and I know they're like 4th conservatively in the NJ pecking order behind NY/decavs but I would think they're backing of one of the philly factions means something no? Imo theyre in the Mazzone/merlino camp, is that accurate?

Ted

Your right on that one!!

Yea I seen that one I mean something more recent now that he's been out and I'm sure feeling good and back on his feet, where's HANDSOME STEVIE when ya need him Lolllol

Thanks for replying

And Merlino was "working" at a flooring company when he first moved to Florida.

Licata has been with Merlino since he became boss. Fazzini is his top soldier I think, but other posters would know more about that.

LOL sorry buddy nothing recent except the ones from when he was first released but Tuesday when I am off I will search around for one.

fazzini has been his top soldier for years and from what i read will probably take over once licta retires. Other crew members joey grande joey "joey eletric" servigo (got made in 2011 i think ) Vincent "Beeps" Centorino and nick "nicky O" Olveri

I saw Borgesi going about his businesses this past spring, and he looked good compared to the picture he takes, it was my first time ever seeing him. He was still carrying around his prison muscles too.

He had healthy real estate holdings when he went away, don't know if his family has sold them or not though.

A net worth of a million isn't exactly rich.

he was still wealthy than most i would not mind being worth a mil in real estate and thats not saying what he had on the street aswell he was a top soldier could have had earning well

Thanks buddy, Borgesi is the most interesting outta these guys cause he's so low key n doesn't look like he's hanging with his friends according to burnstein, and again to me he is a sickfuck prolly plotting how he's gonna get Lou M lol

Yeah you would have to think that prison photo wasn't to good for the guys modeling career lol but now that he's been out eating good food and I'm sure enjoying life he prolly looks good for his age like the rest of the crew..they did too much time in the joint for them prison muscles just to disappear , fuck 14 calendars is rough !!

What John Veasey's up to these days.

http://6abc.com/news/woman-rescued-after-tree-falls-on-2-cars-in-roxborough/1616935/