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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/19/15 06:11 PM
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Well logically, if innocent NON-criminal gun owners turn in their guns and criminals are left to carry guns, how are innocent people supposed to fight back against armed criminals?
Secondly, the main benefit of having an armed community of law abiding citizens owning and carrying guns is the deterrent factor, not the amount of times you wind up actually having to shoot somebody.
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/19/15 06:39 PM
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Untrained civilians shouldn't have guns, simple as that. They're more likely to shoot themselves than a burglar if the situation happened this is the type of cookie cutter response that i've come to expect from those who project their own irrational fears and lack of knowledge onto those who they disagree with. just because you aren't comfortable with firearms doesn't mean that others aren't, we have 100 million gun owners here, many of whom are former law enforcement, military, or just grew up with guns and are more than comfortable with their operation. crime has been on a steady decline here in america for decades while the number of guns as well as concealed carry permits has been on a steady rise. the info is out there if you're interested, but knowing how the media in our country portrays gun owners for the most part i'd imagine the impression you get over there is that it's impossible to leave your house here without getting gunned down so stick with the narrative the suites you! at the end of the day be glad you live in a country where self defense is illegal, i'll be glad i don't. why waste any time trying to preach to AMERICANS on an AMERICAN message board where most of the members are AMERICANS how they should live? how would it go over if i was on a BRITISH message board and did the same? this pretty much says it all right here, you guys have been totally neutered over there and instead of fighting back, you stick your collective heads in the sand and shit on a still somewhat free country where people are allowed to protect themselves. these next few decades in europe are going to be very interesting, i have a feeling those who harp on our 2nd amendment being outdated are going to have a much different view when achmed gets serious! "The only fully legal self defence product at the moment is a rape alarm."https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/19/15 06:48 PM
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SoCalGangs
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People can, and do defend themselves against home invaders. Not everyone that breaks into your home has a gun either, sometimes they are unarmed or have a knife. Better to be armed than risk having someone hurt you or your family. Having a firearm doesn't help or fix every situation but it puts the odds in your favor.
And the most important thing to remember in all this is the deterrent factor. Criminals would rather not hassle breaking into homes where the likelyhood of the victims are armed is high.
Just like mass shooters would rather find a gun free zone where they can murder at will, unchallenged, at least until the guys with guns show up( police).
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/19/15 07:10 PM
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guns are basically illegal. serious question here, how familiar are you with your own laws? i highly doubt you are even a fraction as knowledgeable on them as i am and i don't even live there. examples of uk legal firearms under a section 1 firearms certificate... ruger 10-22 semi-automatic rifle chambered in .22lr with 25 round bx-25 magazine... various saiga-12 12 gauge shotguns with detachabke box magazines, as long as the barrel is 24 inches its perfectly legal... savage model 111 chambered in .338 lapua which is very similar to the gun used to make the longest confirmed kill in history at over 1.6 miles, which funny enough is held by a brit. there might be some cosmetic restrictions as far as muzzle breaks are concerned, but otherwise this rifle is perfectly legal... one of the many silly long-barrled pistols which along with black powder and certain historical models, are perfectly legal "handguns" in the uk, although regular modern designs are allowed in both the isle of man as well as northern ireland...
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/19/15 08:19 PM
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All need to be locked up securely and can be inspected at any time. Also, the actual application process for a gun license is far more rigorous than other countries.
Guns are owned here for target shooting at gun clubs and that's basically it. You don't have Joe public sitting around with 13 guns in their bedroom.... Lol what does having a law saying that the firearm must be locked up securely have to do with a criminal minded person deciding to use the gun for a crime?? I live in California and we have a similar law. Guns inside the home are supposed be unloaded and locked securely and separate from the ammo. Brilliant law that stops gang bangers in South Central Los Angeles from shooting at one another.....or not.
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/20/15 03:24 PM
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But notice how these comparisons always use these bogus term of "developed countries." Which allows you to cherry pick which countries count and don't count. Which is another way of avoiding any other variable besides gun ownership. It also compares the entire US to many other countries of different sizes in populations and cultures. If you broke down the US by states or even cities, you'd get a far different picture. If you think Utah and California are the same, you're wrong. And if you think Norway and Los Angeles are the same than you're surely mistaken. We have more in common with Mexico than Europe in many ways. Please read this: https://mises.org/blog/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: fergie]
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10/20/15 11:57 PM
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Not at all Dixie...every other civilised country thinks it's madness that there's so many shootings and massacres but still nothing is done. The macho need to "defend" yourself with a fully automatic weapon against some perceived threat is strange as well...all because of some 200 year old constitutional amendment that was written by guys who owned slaves.
The US is a great country but it's obviously a subject which difficult for you all to agree amongst yourselves with, never mind someone from another country! I suppose if everyone in my street/town owned a gun, Id probably feel the need to have one as well...but it'd hardly reduce the chance of catching a bullet at some point Oh fuck off. Seriously, the last we need is some jerkass telling us how "uncivilized" we are because we believe in the right to bear arms. You miss one key concept in all this: context. Our Constitution is unlike any other on this earth, provides for checks and balances between the executive, legislative and judicial. And just for the record, not every Founding Father owned slaves, nor did all condone slavery. The only reason it was allowed to continue was to compromise the Southern delegates. You also fail to realize they lived in a time where black people were not considered the same as whites. Unfortunate but that's how it was back then. You really think the rights and standards of black African slaves were a priority in 1787?
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Re: Gun Law
[Re: SoCalGangs]
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10/22/15 07:05 AM
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But I support gun ownership because I don't support any law or restriction on human liberty. If it reduces freedom than I'm against it. I know people in the UK and other European countries roll their eyes at this talk and that's fine. I put a high value on freedom and human liberty.
Agree with this 100%. This may be a moot point but, if people roll over and allow special interest groups and left wing media to do what they want with the Constitution how soon until other rights are taken away? When Christianity is banned? When it is illegal to say you don't support gay rights? Not being able to speak out against the government? Eventually we will run out of rights to be taken away from us. "Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter. You see all, sooner or later. Sooner or later, the people in this country are gonna realize the government does not give a fuck about them! The government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply does not give a fuck about you! It's interested in its own power. That's the only thing. Keeping it and expanding it wherever possible."- George Carlin
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Re: Gun Law
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10/22/15 11:21 AM
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"Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter. You see all, sooner or later. Sooner or later, the people in this country are gonna realize the government does not give a fuck about them! The government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply does not give a fuck about you! It's interested in its own power. That's the only thing. Keeping it and expanding it wherever possible."- George Carlin
Carlin also referred to gun enthusiasts as 'dickless' and said that they were 'missing chromosomes and should be thrown screaming from helicopters' http://youtu.be/TPDuYXGAuBwNow, as far as even having a national conversation on gun control in the US goes, Dan Hodges summed it all up nicely: In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.In the interest of full disclosure- I own guns, 30 of them. Everything from a Sako .22 to a Zanotti 12 gauge. My husband hunts and I was raised in a family that did as well. Not one of these guns would likely help me defend my home, because like any truly responsible gun owner they are kept unloaded and locked in a gun safe. By the time I could get one out and load it, I'd likely already be a victim. My grandfather was a longtime NRA member who was NY state's rapid fire rifle shooting champion for many years. He was a certified instructor who taught hundreds of people how to shoot. He resigned from the NRA in the late 70s when he felt that it had gone from being primarily a sporting organization to a completely political one. There are many people like us who own and use guns and don't oppose strict regulations or controls. Owning guns carries with it a heavy responsibility. Not everyone that wants regulation wants a total ban. But no rational person can look at what's going on here and not recognize that there is a problem in this country.
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