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Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? #861226
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I recently read a short story that lays it out pretty clear that the FBI had Colombo shot. There are so many ways in which the FBI used the mafia it seems like another arm of defense. What do you think?

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: underworldsecrets] #861232
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Why? FBI interest in the mob was on the downswing at that time, and Hoover was nearing the end.

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: underworldsecrets] #861243
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Quite the contrary, this story connected Jerome Johnson the killer to Flemmi from Boston to Hoover to Scarpa!!! check it out http://www.amazon.com/Untold-Story-Top-E...rds=top+echelon

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: underworldsecrets] #861245
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If it's all the same to you, I think I'll save the three bucks.

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: LurkerGuy] #861252
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I don't know about the FBI, but I always wondered about some very curious circumstances re. the Colombo shooting:

--How did a nobody like Johnson get a press pass and an expensive, professional Bolex movie camera?
--How did the woman with him, who acted as a distraction for Colombo while Johnson shot him, disappear into thin air?
--Why was nobody arrested or indicted in Johnson's shooting?


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All of that is explained in the story! Jerome Johnson was let through by Greg Scarpa who no one knew at the time but he was a Top Echelon Informant Johnson was also connected to Steve Flemmi yet another Top Echelon Informant

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: Turnbull] #861283
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I don't know about the FBI, but I always wondered about some very curious circumstances re. the Colombo shooting:

--How did a nobody like Johnson get a press pass and an expensive, professional Bolex movie camera?
--How did the woman with him, who acted as a distraction for Colombo while Johnson shot him, disappear into thin air?
--Why was nobody arrested or indicted in Johnson's shooting?


I agree. I don't like to play the part of conspiracy theorist, but the whole thing has seemed weird to me, for the reasons you mentioned.

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: underworldsecrets] #861285
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http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20M...Item%200333.pdf Quite a few press clippings on the Colombo shooting at that site.

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http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20M...Item%200337.pdf

The camera was rented from a Boston firm, and paid for with a bad check.

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: LurkerGuy] #861299
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The finger initially pointed at Joe Gallo because he had a beef against Columbo, was demanding $100k and other big stuff, was close to blacks in prison, etc. But it soon shifted to Gambino. Columbo was Gambino's protege, and Don Carlo disapproved of the exceptionally high profile Columbo was taking in the media through his League. Bad for business.

I think it was an inside job in the Columbo family. Columbo had formed the League for selfish reasons: he was under indictment for perjury (lying on an application for a real estate license), and his son was facing a Federal felony rap for melting down silver coins for their bullion value. Columbo posed as a victim of law enforcement prejudice against Italians, a tactic that worked in his and his son's favor. But men in his organization had to resent being dragooned into doing work for the League instead of making money on the streets. And, since fear is the great power factor in Mafia, they probably felt that Columbo's denial of the existence of Mafia was reducing their ability to intimidate victims.

But, as always, money's the big factor. Columbo raked in millions in dues and contributions from the League, and he accounted for only a little of it through scholarships, etc. The surest way to encourage disloyalty in a Mob family is to refuse to share the wealth.

I don't discount some police cooperation--they hated Columbo's criticism of law enforcement, and the success he had in getting the NYTimes, FBI, etc., to drop "Mafia" and "Cosa Nostra" from their official language. Put it together: How did Johnson, basically a no-account, get press credentials and a $1200 Bolex professional movie camera? How did it happen that the revolver that was used to kill him was never traced--and no one in the pileup on top of him was ever questioned? How did the woman who was with him as a distraction, escape? Could be the police looked the other way.


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Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: LurkerGuy] #861308
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He Purchased it from Boston where Flemmi was working with dirty agents for the good of the Hoover admin. agenda. There really is some interesting stuff in the story

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: underworldsecrets] #861330
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There were just as many G cameras on this guy as the president.. not one picture or film of the shooting..both shootings..

Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: Turnbull] #861332
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
The finger initially pointed at Joe Gallo because he had a beef against Columbo, was demanding $100k and other big stuff, was close to blacks in prison, etc. But it soon shifted to Gambino. Columbo was Gambino's protege, and Don Carlo disapproved of the exceptionally high profile Columbo was taking in the media through his League. Bad for business.

I think it was an inside job in the Columbo family. Columbo had formed the League for selfish reasons: he was under indictment for perjury (lying on an application for a real estate license), and his son was facing a Federal felony rap for melting down silver coins for their bullion value. Columbo posed as a victim of law enforcement prejudice against Italians, a tactic that worked in his and his son's favor. But men in his organization had to resent being dragooned into doing work for the League instead of making money on the streets. And, since fear is the great power factor in Mafia, they probably felt that Columbo's denial of the existence of Mafia was reducing their ability to intimidate victims.

But, as always, money's the big factor. Columbo raked in millions in dues and contributions from the League, and he accounted for only a little of it through scholarships, etc. The surest way to encourage disloyalty in a Mob family is to refuse to share the wealth.

I don't discount some police cooperation--they hated Columbo's criticism of law enforcement, and the success he had in getting the NYTimes, FBI, etc., to drop "Mafia" and "Cosa Nostra" from their official language. Put it together: How did Johnson, basically a no-account, get press credentials and a $1200 Bolex professional movie camera? How did it happen that the revolver that was used to kill him was never traced--and no one in the pileup on top of him was ever questioned? How did the woman who was with him as a distraction, escape? Could be the police looked the other way.


Absolutely ....

And Carmine has never uttered a word and never threatened any of them to get a get out of jail free card.

If this guy ever started talking it would change so many books and police/FBI reports .So many guilty guys out walking streets and so many innocent guys doing time that should be walking ..

I am pretty sure he is the only one alive with that kind of info.
But his and his sons surname is going down untarnished in that world...

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Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: Serpiente] #861374
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WHO'S ALIVE SERP?


I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
Re: Did the Government use the Mafia to whack Colombo? [Re: Turnbull] #861375
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that is a very well thought out synonpsis.


I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...

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