Of the U.S. Families, which are the least damaged and are the most active? Are any of them still strong? How big is the biggest family in terms of numbers of made men?

The Genovese family is the strongest and least damaged of those that remain. It is also the largest with approximately 200 members. The Gambinos, who rival the Genovese in size, are a strong #2.

The Genoveses was ever the Ivy League with only 5 rat and 200 and more made men,the second are the Gambinos with almost 200 rebuilted under the sicilian faction.

Out NY the Detroit Partnership had only 1 rat, nove tocco in the 2000 and has 30 made men either for the Chicago Outfit with the Family Secret.

The other families or are dead (cleveland,Pittsburgh,St.Louis ecc.) or won't return back to the power that had in the 80s.

Joint largest.

You can put New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, and Chicago all ahead of Detroit.

Yes,but I intent "the least damaged": the decav was almost destroyed in the early 2000s,philly was rebuilt thanks to Ligambi after 2001 and so on.

This question is subjective; least damaged as in from general attrition or least damaged as in from prosecution?


Prosecution; I'd argue Detroit, simply because the family's small size has made it less of a law enforcement, particularly from the FBI, target.

General Attrition; arguably one of the 3 smaller New York Families.

6 actually.

Joe Valachi, Vincent Cafaro, George Barone, Ray Ruggiero, Anthony Arilotta, and Felix Tranghese.

Still far less than any of the other NY families.

How much rats were from the Gambinos?I mean made men

Gambino Crime Family - 12 Members who have Flipped

Alfonse “Jim Carra” Attardi- Soldier (Dead)
Dominick "Fat Dom" Borghese- Soldier
Primo Cassarino- Soldier
Joseph "Little Joe" D'Angelo- Soldier
Craig DePalma- Soldier (Dead)
Michael "Mickey Scars" DiLeonardo- Capo
Frank "Frankie Fapp" Fappiano- Soldier
Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano- Underboss
Robert Mormando- Soldier
Alfredo “Freddie The Sidge” Santantonio- Soldier (Killed)
Nicholas “Nicky Skins” Stefanelli - Soldier (Suicide)
Name Not Revealed - Soldier

Genovese Crime Family - 8 Members who have Flipped

Anthony “Bingy” Arilotta- Soldier
George Barone- Soldier
John “Futto” Biello- Capo (Killed)
Vincent "Fish" Cafaro- Soldier
Felix Tranghese- Capo
Joseph "Joe Cago" Valachi- Soldier (Dead)
Louis Moscatiello- Soldier/Acting Capo (Dead)
Renaldi “Ray” Ruggiero - Capo

I thought that Alfredo “Freddie The Sidge” Santantonio being an informant never had a chance to testify because he was kiled so tehnically he cant be put on that list,and was that gay guy Robert Mormando even made?As for the Genoveses having a guy like Valachi,who is the biggest rat in us mafia history is a big minus even though it was 50 years ago.There will never be another rat like him,Big mistake by Vito.

In fairness Valachi was orginally made by Gaetano Reina and only switched to the Genovese family after the Castellammarese War.... but I do agree Vito Genovese didn't handle the sitaution very well (kiss of death etc.)

The Genovese rats didn't do much actual damage as far as putting people in prison.

As far as attrition, I would say Chicago has been hit the hardest of the sirviving families. The power they have now is nothing compared to the 1980's when they still controlled the casinos and unions. They are down from 6 crews to two crew with not much more than gambling and shy.

are you joking?

Anthony “Bingy” Arilotta- helped decimate the springfield genovese crew and took down the boss of the entire genovese family.

Vincent "Fish" Cafaro- Soldier helped bring down gigante and others he was a major damage to the family


all families have been damaged by rats



the outfit is alot weaker than it was but it has three crews and still a force with some union clout and links to rackets like contruction



philly has been damaged the most by rats without a doubt. Then the bonanno family

Biello was supposedlying an informer killed back in the 1960s. Depending on what one is talking about - any informant (in which case the numbers would be considerably bigger) or just guys who became witnesses. Hence the reason Valachi is considered the first guy to flip.

In my opinion, it was never verified whether Moscatiello flipped. He may have thought about it, just as Mikey Cigars reportedly did, but he died before it happened.

Nigro was the former acting boss at the time of his indictment. And he had that position because he is part of the crew that is basically the default leadership for the whole family. Other guys from that crew also were acting boss at one point - Bellomo, Serpico, Muscarella, DeLuca.

I think Mulberry's point is the Genovese defections haven't been as damaging to them as those of other families. Arilotta, Tranghese, and Ruggiero were are part of crews on the outskirts, so to speak, and not the family's powerbase in New York/New Jersey. Cafaro was just one of several witnesses against Gigante who would have been convicted anyway. And he was on the way out in terms of his health. More to the point, the family hasn't had any key guys like a Sammy Gravano, AL D'Arco, or Sal Vitale who did a lot of damage on their own and/or caused a domino effect of others flipping.

Yes I agree with you of course but by the time Gravano,Al darco and Vitale fliped the mob has long passed its hayday and the bosses and others were gonna get convicted anyway,just look at the mafia commision trial years earlier.Before Valachi it was nobody talked,and what Valachi did was in fact a chain reaction and it slowly opened the door for all the rats to come out evantually...It was a debacle.Early 1960s when the mafia was the strongest,there comes this Genovese guy who tells the world what its all about,and Vito is to blame,and so are the guys who havent killed him in time.So even thoug what you are saying is true take that into consideration.

Yes, the Genovese had the first guy to openlly flip, which opened the door in a sense, but it really wasnt a chain reaction since it would be over 20 years before another member flipped. And if anything it caused the family to become more secretive and disciplined in the years after Valachi. You could argue Valachi hurt the mob as a whole far more than he hurt the Genovese family itself.

What are you even talking about?

They all had more rats than Detroit. Except for maybe Chicago. Not sure how many they have had but it hasnt been many.

This isn't a "rank the family power" thread.

Go back and read the original post in the thread. It dealt with the least damaged families and that can be from several factors including law enforcement, rats, attrition, etc. And obviously power is a result of how much a family is or isn't damaged. Only later in the thread did the focus become more about rats in particular.

Do we even know he really gave Valachi the "kiss of death"? Valachi supposedly seen a lot of things like the guy that was going to kill him. I think he was crazy.

Genovese, easily. It's not even close.

Ok we can find common ground in that fact tha a genovese familly soldier hurt the mafia as a whole,and that it was a big f... up,eventually the instalment of Rico.Thank you for your response.

you know chicago snitches or not held it down from the time they were formed to now. ever since torrio(skip al capone even though he was smart and was strong) the outfit has been pretty good. until the 90s they were the strongest criminal force in chicago. they're smaller than new york but they do just as good.