Someone not from that area could explain better. I never noticed I talk like that. I moved from absecon to VA. I was tending bar on weekends and not a night would go by someone I worked with or sitting at bar would ask where I was from because I talked funny to them. Its just hard for me to give examples because its way I talk too. One word I am told I use is "ain't" or "aint it" and people bring that up alot."Youse" as well, and any where I go is "down to" are best examples of how people tell me I talk.

Nancy did actually despise what her asshole brother did to her son (phil)..and she certainly did not want to see that happen to her grandson, thats only part of the reason she called her brother "hitler"..I'm sure she was ready & relieved when she learned that phil was going to play ball for the other team.

Understood ! Got it I have the same conversations .

That's not what brought her to call him that,although I am sure it was part of it.She was alright with it as long as Phil was in and not being forced.

A woman's mood tells all !

Nick controlled everything she did from work to lovers. I am going to leave it alone she was not in the life.

Leonetti got attacked in prison:

http://articles.philly.com/1987-08-06/ne...nal-institution

Here is another one. I remember Phil getting beat up by a off duty cop or before he was a cop and he was the president of a fraternity.(street gang type)

Phil shot this cop off duty or just before he became a cop(Pres of frat.) several times in the chest and I can not find it anywhere.
Like I said the guy may not have been a cop yet .
But he was a bad ass 6.2 260 lb his name is Guy C.

Anyone know the average government stipend that cheese eaters get?

AND, must you remain in WPP to get that money?
Leonetti left WPP, correct?

Yea he is out and around here ,at least in summer .Could not think of a worse place . Dam at least go south or north . But it is like home ,everyone wants to be home .

Aint that the truth. How much weight does what Crazy said about guys there now being scared of him carry? Regardless that's to high profile a hit for them right now, but him showing his face has to rustle some guys. AC boardwalk aint that big and I know if he's been there he has been seen by someone who would be bothered sooner rather then later.

Does anyone know if he really looks that different now that he's had the facial reconstruction/plastic surgery? I heard he got a bunch of work done to his face so that people couldn't recognize him, but wasn't sure how effective it was?

He did not have all that done. He had a face lift and cosmetic work done.
If he or they want to say it was facial reconstruction so mob people don't recognize him ,well that's the way to explain it if your taxis picked up the bill .

I was just wondering..& I mean just thinkin',,all these years ,reading all these books,on page183 of phil's book,he stated that nicky (sr.)told a whole roomful of members that "Dont test me motherfuckers 'cause ill bring a whole squad of guys from new york down here & wipe everybody in this room right off the fuckin map..I wont leave none of you guys standing"........Now ..what if there was a total rebellion,and say, maybe the roomful of dudes said "u cant do or say shit if u dont leave this room alive...im talkin total mutiny,from phil all the way down to the lowliest soldier..who's gonna figure out the whole family told him that he was ruining the borgata & that nobody is abiding by his napoleonic & despotic rulings..phil should have killed him in the woods like he said he thought about in 84..there is a way that new york & l.e. would have never have assessed if it was done right

Wrong, if anyone popped Scarfo, doesn't matter how discreet u are about it. bobby manna & co would just look at the next guy who is upped to boss. That's usually the best indicator as to who was guilty... Then we'll have the whole Tony bananas & Testa's murder issue again...

However, it's all about the green. As long as the next guy is willing to share the spoils, money talks.

Serp, what rank was Phil when this happened

Give us some more details pls? How did it start, fight, when did the big guy get popped etc

Thanks

Don't think he was made yet . I will be with a couple old friends this weekend ,I will ask them they were from Ducktown and should know that incident. Now thinking back he May have just been a suspect . But it came out on our street of course that he was involved in someway . If he was made it was in the first couple years .

I think this is in leonettis book phil and vincent falcone were in a bar when according to philip this guy started to chat to Philips girlfriend they got into a fight it got broke up. Philip then went home came back shot the guy in the arm

Then all these bikers came around ducktown banging on doors asking for philip. Philip and scarfo were out when this happened when scarfo found he went nuts he said to Lawrence and phil they had to get revenge this guy c was disprecting them. It was Lawrence who did the shooting scarfo said shoot him in the chest "if he dies he dies if he lives he lives either way the message is clear"

Lawrence shot guy c in the chest he lived

Shows how far a bar fight can go

I don't think that's the same situation Serp is referring to. The biker situation is mentioned in Phil's book, and he claims he was talking to the bikers girlfriend and he got mad. This other situation is involved with a off duty cop. Idk, could be the same situation, but I don't know.


And nobody was going to do some mutiny against Scarfo Sr. despite what Leonetti says, the fact is, he was all for the life until he was facing life in prison. There were nomore outs for him, nomore political connections, no more bribing judges and public officials, it was over. He knew this and he saved his own ass, and turned rat. He didn't do it for his son, or anyone else he claims to have done it for, he did it for himself, simply because he was a young man who didn't want to spent pretty much all of his remaining adult life in the penitentiary.

No guys that biker thing was different , I remember that clearly . This was a old thing going on between the dude that was a bad ass (Guy C) he was around DuckTown and then decided to go straight and become a cop,, him and Philip did not like each before,even got worse from that point on. Phil allegedly walked down to where he was under The old convention hall Tunnel and shot him a bunch of times . Completely different from the biker situation . Like I said this guy was a bad ass ,and this was building from what this guy was saying in the local bars about Phil. He ,Phil was no joke . Lots of people say it was all Nick . Phil was not playing around . Well till he lost in court ...

Yea, Phil Leonetti was a straight killer, no if's, and's, or but's about it. It wasn't all his uncle that created this reputation for Phil, the guy wouldn't hesitate to shoot if he felt slighted or disrespected in any manner or fashion.

Not to mention that his thoughts of killing would revert to his own blood..justifibly ("at that very moment i made a promise to myself that if my uncle brought this up again & started to move forward with plans to kill Chuckie & lawrence, not only was i gonna step in & stop it like i wish i had done with Salvie & i had done with the blade,but i was gonna do something that me or someone else should have done a long time ago...I WAS GONNA KILL MY UNCLE.),,, which i would, as a lot of peeps would have, enjoyed seeing materialize back then.

Clearly loses his cool at 26:08.

Even all the way back then(when prison was fresh in his mind) he wanted back in so bad. If he just got out because of other reasons then flipping.
He would be back in so fast.

It looked like he was ready to make a move on that reporter right then .
Look say what you want ,the guy has problems because of the life he was exposed to .
Not many people can sit back for 20 years and still think it was alright to kill these guys.
I mean Vince was a ass but so are most when they are young and are out drinking,and thats when most of that stuff was said.

Yeah at 26:12 you can hear his voice tone change a little and swallows like he is trying to contain himself.

Then at 26:12 he almost seems annoyed to continue talking, trying to calm down

You can see the seething anger start to bubble...so I can imagine how he got in other situations. I never noticed that in the interview before good catch

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/...c632e6723d.html

Leonetti is a pussy if he needs a gun to threaten a high school kid.

^^^^^ I hear you and agree . But what you don't know that things like that happened a hundred times and when they would go with good intentions the other people had weapons . This type of thing happens often and Mark was a good-looking kid to boot so he often was picked on just because of jealousy . Nicky jr by that time had been thrown out of a couple schools because of similar circumstances . So don't believe one story those guys caught some grief and dished out more . Just like you would expect if your father is a Mafia boss .

But serp,you knew this guy from a distance, you know he has a heart,yes, he was a killer ,& you also broke bread ...but why slag him when he's down,? He has tried to exit all he's been through, dont treach old friends when they in fact have been nice to you..HE SECRETLY SPOKE GENTLY of your family name in his book...I beleive in his ways & honor..but what do i know???

Don't have too much empathy toward these guys . He /They would have put a bullet in me or you if told. I was a guy on the block. I was not in any family,there was 50 plus of us through the years hanging in and around that block.

And I an closer then I say and I still feel that way.
Don't let him make you think he is down on his luck. Like I have posted many times he lands on his feet every time since he was a kid he was lucky.

He is doing just fine and don't be surprised if you don't hear from him in the not so near future .
The guy is doing just fine ...and has the capability of making big money whenever he gives the word.

I understand..u were just a spoke on a wheel.. thanx for the input.

Dude, seriously? You seem to hold Leonetti in such a high regard that it's almost like you're implying he's a standup human being. He was and still is a scumbag, just like the majority of those other guys. Even worse because he couldn't keep his oath and flipped when facing life in prison. He wasn't going to step in and stop Salvie Testa's murder, despite what he says in Mafia Prince. Nick Caramandi says Leonetti was right along with everyone else in that Scarfo Borgata who flipped on Salvie and were ready to kill him on sight at Scarfo's command. He claimed Testa and the slight mention of his name was "making him sick" and how he wished he could've just "killed the guy already". And Leonetti would NOT have killed Nicky Scarfo, unless he planned on becoming boss, which may have happened had they never been sentenced. But back then? No freaking way.

I do recall reading all you just mentioned,& no i dont hold him in any regard..he was a flippant killer along with the rest..i agree.