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Re: gangster report: Outfit
[Re: chicagofan75]
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09/01/15 06:48 PM
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So Hollingshead is the Spinas' cousin. Something here still does not make sense. Why would Vena allow Panozzo to rob another guy's home who is in that crew? Particularly a guy who is so high up and a cousin of the Spinas, 3 of which are in the Grand Avenue crew. There has to be something else going on.
Perhaps the Spinas are out of the rackets, or Panozzo conducted his activities without the permission of Vena, or Vena has no control over his crew.
There are too many unknowns here to speculate. An alternative theory regarding Zizzo is that Sarno took him out without anyone's permission. This is a likely scenario as Zizzo was close to DiFronzo, who also reportedly had issues with Marcello. I think that Sarno was allowed to run Cicero his way after Marcello went to prison, providing he kicked up some $$ to DiFronzo, who looked the other way on things, not wanting to get the two big Outfit crews into a battle.
Although none of this would explain why Vena was involved. At the time, Cozzo was the Capo of Grand Avenue and it is unlikely he would have sanctioned Vena to take out Zizzo. Unless of course Vena was assigned to Cicero at that time. Who did Vena come up with? joey the clown he came up with him and bobby but vena got is button. Joey liked vena he took over the clowns old crew
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Re: gangster report: Outfit
[Re: chicagofan75]
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09/01/15 06:52 PM
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So Hollingshead is the Spinas' cousin. Something here still does not make sense. Why would Vena allow Panozzo to rob another guy's home who is in that crew? Particularly a guy who is so high up and a cousin of the Spinas, 3 of which are in the Grand Avenue crew. There has to be something else going on.
Perhaps the Spinas are out of the rackets, or Panozzo conducted his activities without the permission of Vena, or Vena has no control over his crew.
There are too many unknowns here to speculate. An alternative theory regarding Zizzo is that Sarno took him out without anyone's permission. This is a likely scenario as Zizzo was close to DiFronzo, who also reportedly had issues with Marcello. I think that Sarno was allowed to run Cicero his way after Marcello went to prison, providing he kicked up some $$ to DiFronzo, who looked the other way on things, not wanting to get the two big Outfit crews into a battle.
Although none of this would explain why Vena was involved. At the time, Cozzo was the Capo of Grand Avenue and it is unlikely he would have sanctioned Vena to take out Zizzo. Unless of course Vena was assigned to Cicero at that time. Who did Vena come up with? bobby has his own crew of associates they did not report to vena they reported to bobby they were his guys and then bobby kicked up to vena
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Re: gangster report: Outfit
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09/03/15 09:11 PM
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Ya that makes sense. His son waited like 10 years after he flipped to give that to the feds. Maybe he got busted in the program and used that as a chip for a rainy day if he got jammed up again. I bet so. Why did he let his mom have it head scratcher. No it was not just the kid in the program. The other two kids Kurt and nicky who did not flip and testify gave it up frank junior helped but it was mainly kurt. Frank junior is completely legit What does kids went through is a disgrace the father is a evil man I recommend his book you have to realize how dysfunctional that family is I applaud him Frank junior in flipping the father would have kept ruining him Kurt and nicky lives and its not often I sympathize with a rat but that kid had it rough I mean the father was crazy
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Re: gangster report: Outfit
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09/03/15 09:21 PM
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Bobby fell out with hollingshead Verna prob okayed it he trusts bobby
Maybe Bobby went rogue
Vena connection with hollingshead was through bobby
Unless he flips we don't know it's impossible to know otherwise
I think he will flip I mean look how Bobby treated the guys wife Unless who flips...Hollingshead? Isn't he already cooperating?
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Re: gangster report: Outfit
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Ya that makes sense. His son waited like 10 years after he flipped to give that to the feds. Maybe he got busted in the program and used that as a chip for a rainy day if he got jammed up again. I bet so. Why did he let his mom have it head scratcher. No it was not just the kid in the program. The other two kids Kurt and nicky who did not flip and testify gave it up frank junior helped but it was mainly kurt. Frank junior is completely legit What does kids went through is a disgrace the father is a evil man I recommend his book you have to realize how dysfunctional that family is I applaud him Frank junior in flipping the father would have kept ruining him Kurt and nicky lives and its not often I sympathize with a rat but that kid had it rough I mean the father was crazy Frank Calabrese Sr. divorced his first wife in the mid 1980s. The first wife is the mother of Frank Jr., Kurt and Nicky. Sr. remarried a much younger woman when the first 3 were grown in the mid 1980s and had more children. The occupant of the Oak Brook house was the second wife.
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