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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #855995
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Little Joey preparing for the fight with Little Carlo.



I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: Moe_Tilden] #855999
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Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Last night I had a dream that Carlo Gambino and Joe Ligambi had a cockfight using their noses.


LOl, whose on deck, Paul Castellano?

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856004
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clap lol

(Moe n Bean)


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: SonnyD] #856010
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Originally Posted By: SonnyD
I would ask you a question on this one PB. Nothing much is know about Phil Lombardo and you are from his heartland of the Bronx/East Harlem. The FBI and cops knew very little about this guy, but did you or any of your family know how powerful this guy was back in the day?

Yes, it wasn't much of a secret in East Harlem. Now, I'm not saying that "civilians" knew he was a shadow boss. But everyone knew that he was a very serious guy and very heavy in the street.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856011
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Originally Posted By: abc123
No. i only post on this site and most of the time on Irish stuff.


i dont' think gambino was a coward he was one of the most powerful in the states
anyway what do you want to proof? irish gangs are by far weaker than italian mafia in europe or the states

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856012
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PB,
it states on Wiki for what its worth that Lombardo was Catena's protege when Genovese passed.

Why was Lobardo appointed over Catena as boss?

Catena's choice?


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: m2w] #856016
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Originally Posted By: m2w
irish gangs are by far weaker than italian mafia in europe or the states

But the American Cosa Nostra isn't an international power anymore, is it? While some Irish like Christy Kinahan have got solid alliances in many countries, are you sure the Irish mob is definitely weaker than the Italian-American one today?


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: Dwalin2011] #856019
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
are you sure the Irish mob is definitely weaker than the Italian-American one today?


i mean that irish gangs in europe are weaker than italian mafia and irish gangs in the states are weaker than lcn

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #856031
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
PB,
it states on Wiki for what its worth that Lombardo was Catena's protege when Genovese passed.

Why was Lobardo appointed over Catena as boss?

Catena's choice?

Possibly, along with the possibility that he was anointed by committee.

Of course, there are those who still believe that Funzi was the boss, and I respect their right to that opinion. But 116th Street was SO strong at that time, that it almost had to be a guy from the old Coppola crew.

Of course, Benny loved Vince so much that he handpicked him as his successor, even though Vince was a Downtown guy. But even then, the heaviest crew within that Family was 116th Street. That's why they indicted Salerno instead of Gigante for the Commission trial.

The Feds knew that the 116th Street Crew was the strongest in the Family by far. And with Salerno holding court out in the open every day, how could they not think he was the boss?

It was a brilliant strategy all the way around. Unless you were Tony Salerno. But Hell, he was only inside for about six years before he died, and he left behind an amount of money that looked like a long distance phone number. So I don't feel too bad for him.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856035
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Interesting PB. Cheers.

Genovese was Capo of the Greenich village crew like Chin, not 116th.
So interesting dynamic. You had Genovese and Chin from Greenwich and Catena and Lombardo 116th.

So those two crews headed the family yet alternated leadership. Greenich (Genovese)-116 (Benny) -Greenich (Chin) -116 (Barney)

Interesting how intermingled those crews were with Lombardo favouring Chin and Chin favouring Barney.


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CHUCKIE: Morgan, Let's go.
MORGAN: I'm serious Chuckie, I ain't goin'.
WILL: So don't go.
Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #856051
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Interesting PB. Cheers.

Genovese was Capo of the Greenich village crew like Chin, not 116th.
So interesting dynamic. You had Genovese and Chin from Greenwich and Catena and Lombardo 116th.

So those two crews headed the family yet alternated leadership. Greenich (Genovese)-116 (Benny) -Greenich (Chin) -116 (Barney)

Interesting how intermingled those crews were with Lombardo favouring Chin and Chin favouring Barney.



Pretty sure Catena came up, and was later Capo, in Willie Moretti's Jersey crew rather than the Bronx/Harlem guys.

Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: SonnyD] #856053
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Originally Posted By: SonnyD
Pretty sure Catena came up, and was later Capo, in Willie Moretti's Jersey crew rather than the Bronx/Harlem guys.


That rings a bell too.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #856056
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True. Gerry Catena was originally a Jersey guy.

As an aside, when he retired to Florida in the early '70s, he REALLY retired. Nothing clandestine about it. Played golf into his fucking 90's. Class guy.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #856066
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Genovese was Capo of the Greenich village crew like Chin, not 116th.
So interesting dynamic. You had Genovese and Chin from Greenwich and Catena and Lombardo 116th.

Actually, Sonny, the Downtown crew and the Greenwich Village crew were different entities. The Downtown crew being centered around the old Little Italy, which was just Southeast of the West Village. The Downtown crew would go on to be run by the likes of Matty the Horse and Jimmy Ida.

As you can imagine, the two crews being in such close proximity of one another was quite confusing, which gave the Government fits. But that's the Westside for you lol.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856067
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Possibly, along with the possibility that he was anointed by committee.

Of course, there are those who still believe that Funzi was the boss, and I respect their right to that opinion. But 116th Street was SO strong at that time, that it almost had to be a guy from the old Coppola crew.

Of course, Benny loved Vince so much that he handpicked him as his successor, even though Vince was a Downtown guy. But even then, the heaviest crew within that Family was 116th Street. That's why they indicted Salerno instead of Gigante for the Commission trial.

The Feds knew that the 116th Street Crew was the strongest in the Family by far. And with Salerno holding court out in the open every day, how could they not think he was the boss?

It was a brilliant strategy all the way around. Unless you were Tony Salerno. But Hell, he was only inside for about six years before he died, and he left behind an amount of money that looked like a long distance phone number. So I don't feel too bad for him.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: IvyLeague] #856068
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Thank you, Ivy. It's nice when the historian and the word of mouth guy synch up like that. It's rare, but it's still nice smile.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856069
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Was Bobby Manna apart of the Village crew at one point ? I know he's a Jersey guy but he had an apt on I want to say Houston street for years.

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Originally Posted By: Rocco1313
Was Bobby Manna apart of the Village crew at one point ? I know he's a Jersey guy but he had an apt on I want to say Houston street for years.

Yes.


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Re: Was Carlo Gambino a coward. [Re: abc123] #856074
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The capos of those two crews read like a friggin all star team.


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