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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: mightyhealthy] #800679
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Forget downtown NYC and Italian, unless you count kids who grew up in the suburbs and moved here that have Italian last names. But those kind of people don't consider them Italian in the sense you're thinking. And they definitely don't think they are trying to make it an italin demographic. They're just American kids.

Exactly. I remember when Sofia Coppola bought a high end condo off Spring Street. She went on and on in one of the real estate magazines about "keeping the culture alive" and all the usual Hollywood crap. Like she didn't grow up Hollywood fucking royalty in California. It didn't even occur to her that people like her were the ones driving Italian Americans out of the neighborhood who lived there for fifty years.

Oh, and she's sold it since then. At a tremendous profit.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Forget downtown NYC and Italian, unless you count kids who grew up in the suburbs and moved here that have Italian last names. But those kind of people don't consider them Italian in the sense you're thinking. And they definitely don't think they are trying to make it an italin demographic. They're just American kids.

Exactly. I remember when Sofia Coppola bought a high end condo off Spring Street. She went on and on in one of the real estate magazines about "keeping the culture alive" and all the usual Hollywood crap. Like she didn't grow up Hollywood fucking royalty in California. It didn't even occur to her that people like her were the ones driving Italian Americans out of the neighborhood who lived there for fifty years.

Oh, and she's sold it since then. At a tremendous profit.


What a joke... You're exactly right. She's the problem (as am I) not the solution... wink

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To clarify though, there is no solution. It is over. Forever.

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: pizzaboy] #800688
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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I told them I have no idea to enjoy your time on these few blocks because when you get older and come here to visit who knows if the Italians will still be here.

But you do realize that the Italians that you pointed out to your kids don't actually still live there, right?

2010 Census: Not a SINGLE Italian born resident left in the 10012 zip code. And the populace itself was less than ten percent Italian American. And that was almost five years ago.

You know I make my living in New York City real estate these days, so I pay very close attention to demographics. Now some people might thing that's being bigoted, but any intelligent landlord does the same thing.

Anyway, a studio on Mulberry and Grand will run you about $2500 a month today. A fucking studio. If you doubt that, take a gander at Craigslist or one of the big real estate sites like Elliman or Corcoran. What immigrant can afford that? And when you couple that with the fact that there aren't really Italians moving to the United States anymore, is it any wonder that things have changed?

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Little Italy in Manhattan is just that "Little".

Smaller every day. Even restaurant row has shrunk to Mulberry between Canal and Kenmare. And Kenmare is honestly stretching things.


It sickens me to know that not a SINGLE Italian born resident is living in Little Italy. Who could afford it at those prices. Things have sure changed.
Honestly, my kids really appreciated being in Little Italy even though it wasn't what it used to be. They wanted to go into the dairy market, take pictures of where my great grandpa lived on Mulberry St, listen to the young kid sing Sinatra songs, and eat at a different restaurant for each meal just so they can experience the neighborhood. They got really into it for young kids.
When we were in Queens, I showed them the bocce courts and the old Italian men who gathered in the park to play cards and shoot the breeze. I was so excited to show them what little is left of our culture.

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: AnthonyScarfo] #800690
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I have to hand it to the Hurst, they do a good job of keeping that neighborhood clean tho.


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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: AnthonyScarfo] #800696
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Before everyone gets all indignant, assimilation isn't the worst thing in the world. Living in nice houses is a cool thing.

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: mightyhealthy] #800697
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Before everyone gets all indignant, assimilation isn't the worst thing in the world. Living in nice houses is a cool thing.


As long as you always remember where you came from. Always appreciate how hard your family had to work to make your life easier.

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: AnthonyScarfo] #800698
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True.

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: mightyhealthy] #800700
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Before everyone gets all indignant, assimilation isn't the worst thing in the world. Living in nice houses is a cool thing.

Of course. I say it all the time. If you grew up in a walk-up apartment, where half the time your Mother had to boil water for you to take a bath, or you slept on the fire escape in the Summer, there's no way in Hell you'd want the same for your children.

People who have romantic notions about the old tenement neighborhoods never had to live in one. It's on par with "money can't buy happiness." Because I promise you, the first person to use that one was dirt poor.


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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: AnthonyScarfo] #800704
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Exactly. There is a reason why poor people live in (some of) these old neighborhoods. Except the ones that were gentrified, of course.

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My uncles still live in bensonhurst,the last time i was there in '08 it was pretty nice,probably still is today.Lots of chinese and russian stores.

Just a few long standing italian stores left.I hear Gino's was closed some time ago.One by one..

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I'm just taking an educated guess, but I'd assume it has gotten noticeably more Asian and less Italian in the last six years. But I'll wait for PB for a definitive answer.

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Thats so racist.


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Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: AnthonyScarfo] #800716
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It probablly has,why do you need somebody to tell you that?

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: mightyhealthy] #800717
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
I'm just taking an educated guess, but I'd assume it has gotten noticeably more Asian and less Italian in the last six years. But I'll wait for PB for a definitive answer.

I'm not a Brooklyn guy. And the truth is, I haven't been out to Bensonhurst in at least a year. Although I still get out to Midwood every so often. Anyway, there are still pockets of Italians in Bensonhurst. And those pockets have lots of big Italian families living there. But as a whole, the Italian population in Bensonhurst isn't predominant anymore. And it's just going to continue to shrink. It can't grow. It's not possible at this point. Between assimilation and the changes to the immigration laws, it's just not going to happen.


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He just knows the actual statistics which I'd prefer over conjecture.

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Well, I guess not. But still I don't see how waiting for confirmation from someone who might know the definitive answer is bad...

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: AnthonyScarfo] #800724
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What's the difference between a Brooklyn guy and a Bronx guy?
It's not a joke but you can make it one if you like. I know a few of each but I only notice the difference in the accent. So what are the similarities and differences?

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That is true my uncle's doughter and son lef a long time ago and they are just under 30.It's not common for young people to stay there,young italian americans like my nephews are gone.

So pb is right,italian populatin can't grow at this point

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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Thats so racist.


Lol, you're kidding right?

Re: Last "italian neighborhoods" in NYC [Re: mightyhealthy] #800744
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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
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Thats so racist.


Lol, you're kidding right?


Ya got me wink


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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
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Thats so racist.


Lol, you're kidding right?


Ya got me wink

Really, you guys are BOTH bleeding heart liberals lol.


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As an aside, I may be the only one but I've always thought that the importance of there being "Italian neighborhoods" as a base for the Mafia was exaggerated. The Italians moved, in large measure, to the suburbs years ago. While it can certainly be seen as a symbol for the very real assimilation of Italians into mainstream American society, practically speaking, it's had little impact on the Mafia's ability to recruit new members - at least in New York. Though one could certainly make an argument about the quality of those new recruits.


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Is it just the recruitment? I imagine having a criminal base in an Italian neighborhood in 1960 would be more lucrative and result in less exposure. But that's just a theory.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Though one could certainly make an argument about the quality of those new recruits.

Bingo!

I've said it here a hundred times: You can not develop a true gangster mentality if you grow up wanting for nothing in Suburbia. There are anomalies, of course. But for every Tore LoCascio, there are a dozen Craig DePalmas.


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Watch it, PB, you haven't seen what I'm capable of... wink

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Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
To clarify though, there is no solution. It is over. Forever.


The Irish said the same when the Italians started to move into their neighborhoods in the late 1800s. Just saying...


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Ivy: you're kidding right?

Crime is based on socio-economic factors.

You don't have a poor Italian base, you don't have a mafia.

If you think for one second, There'd be ANY sort of mob based of a happy, healthy middle class? You're kidding.


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And fuck the Red Sox. I'm going to to bed.


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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
And fuck the Red Sox. I'm going to to bed.


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