Originally Posted By: BigRed
The Pagans used to push the mob around back in the 80s and 90s when they weren't working with them. That relationship was schizophrenic to say the least. But they weren't exactly civilians...


Not sure that Pagans pushed the mob around, but they definitely stood up for themselves, which in a way doesn't really show that the LCN is weaker than its thought to be. Any criminal organization or individual can be left alone if they take a stance, but many fail to do so.