Ivy's point, and a good one at that, is there sure as shit isn't 30-40 made guys in Detroit.
And you can see that clear as day from Utah.
And Chitown, you're getting your info from google just like the rest of us, so don't act like you're any different.
I think common sense probably implies "no one really fucking knows the exact numbers of a family" aside from the family itself. These forums are for speculating. It's ok to question, but don't make snide racist digs to other posters as if you are the ultimate authority.
