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Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino #850949
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This is a random question, but i am a bit curious. Did Carmine Persico and Carlo Gambino have any business dealings together? What did Carlo Gambino think of Persico? I have not heard anything, even tho they were both Bosses of different families.


“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #850955
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Jo Columbo was hit in 71. Persico went into prison that year and didn't get out till 79 (I think). He ran the Columbo's through his UB Yackovelli and his brothers.
Carlo Gambino died in 75 or 76.
So they were never on the street at the same time as bosses.
I'm rusty on my history but I think that's the case.


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #850962
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Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Jo Columbo was hit in 71. Persico went into prison that year and didn't get out till 79 (I think). He ran the Columbo's through his UB Yackovelli and his brothers.
Carlo Gambino died in 75 or 76.
So they were never on the street at the same time as bosses.
I'm rusty on my history but I think that's the case.


Is Joe Yacovelli still alive? I heard after the Joe Gallo killing, he dissappeared. He was actually pretty young. Early 40's, so it's possible he's still living. Also what years were Carmine Persico on the streets as Boss?

Last edited by Zavattoni; 07/11/15 05:44 PM.

“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.” ~ John Gotti.
Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #850965
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I think persico was on the street just 4 years since 1971

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #850967
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80-84 ish


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #850970
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This article

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/10/nyregion/persico-rank-rankles-as-he-is-given-5-years.html?scp=36&sq=%22carmine+persico%22&st=nyt

says Persico got 5 years in 1981, yet he was free in 1984, otherwise how could he go into hiding and be included in the "most wanted" list? How much of this 5-year-sentence did he actually serve?
Also, was he always free from 1979 to 1981, and after his arrest in 1984 was he on bail until sentencing in the Commission case or was he never free since 1984?

Really, one of the most unfortunate bosses, spent his whole life in jail.

By the way, is it true he ripped to pieces and threw against the wall Michael Franzese's book after reading it in prison? Some documentary said so, don't remember which one.


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #850974
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Little story when Carmine got out 79ish (now dont kill me cos this comes from memory not on paper)

Any way most know that his son Larry is a little eccentric ,well Larry he decides to give his father a gift.
Well he does, he gets a couple of the best stone masons left in Brooklyn and brings them up to the compound where there is many very nice homes.All the males in the family have a house there.

The very beginning of the driveway between Carmines and Joyce house(on right) and the caretakers property(where some of the cars are kept)Allie house is on the other side of that.
Anyway Larry has these guys living in the bottom of the caretakers house and would not let them go till they finished his surprise gift for his fathers home coming.

The surprise was a little eccentric just like Larry he had a 20ft gigantic fountain made from these bricklayers .
Now everyone thought he was crazy and the thing would look like shit.
Well let me tell you it is a work of art and it is a great thing to see when you pull into the estate you pull in and go past the fountain between two stone pillars(just like godfather) to a drive that has 200 trees on each side really is a thing of beauty when you see it.
So anyway everyone ate there words and Larry held his head high..and Carmine said he loved it and could see it from anywhere in the front of his house.
It is still there and still a great looking piece....


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Dwalin2011] #850979
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
This article

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/10/nyregion/persico-rank-rankles-as-he-is-given-5-years.html?scp=36&sq=%22carmine+persico%22&st=nyt

says Persico got 5 years in 1981, yet he was free in 1984, otherwise how could he go into hiding and be included in the "most wanted" list? How much of this 5-year-sentence did he actually serve?
Also, was he always free from 1979 to 1981, and after his arrest in 1984 was he on bail until sentencing in the Commission case or was he never free since 1984?

Really, one of the most unfortunate bosses, spent his whole life in jail.

By the way, is it true he ripped to pieces and threw against the wall Michael Franzese's book after reading it in prison? Some documentary said so, don't remember which one.


Even before the book through the years there was no love lost between the two famlies .
I know Sonny was away more then Carmine was but it was often talked about how the two never hit it off.
Of course i was not privy to that info aside from a slip here and there this is how I know that there was no love loss.
I know that Sonny is up there now but it is by supply and demand...


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: SonnyBlackstein] #850980
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Also tom dibella,

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: bronx] #850981
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Originally Posted By: bronx
Also tom dibella,


He did not see eye to eye with Sonny also ?
I know he gave to ok to make Michael ...not positive but I am pretty sure and Russo was his skipper...


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Serpiente] #850983
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with all respect,, larry is a nice guy, never in that life, never could be..he was a stone drug addict since a kid. decades of drugs in him .his brain is fried..he married a wild girl with habits also.. didn't help. didn't think he would live long with all the drug abuse.

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Serpiente] #850984
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no serp i was adding on to Sonny's answer.. about dibella..

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: bronx] #850985
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Originally Posted By: bronx
with all respect,, larry is a nice guy, never in that life, never could be..he was a stone drug addict since a kid. decades of drugs in him .his brain is fried..he married a wild girl with habits also.. didn't help. didn't think he would live long with all the drug abuse.


I am very aware of Larrys problems and many more in the family and would not put anything out there to hurt him ,I see him every 6 to 8 weeks in season ...
That is a good and a true story ,I was right there..

Last edited by Serpiente; 07/11/15 07:31 PM.

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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: bronx] #850986
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Originally Posted By: bronx
no serp i was adding on to Sonny's answer.. about dibella..


Got ya ! getting old can't follow so quick anymore lol...


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #850992
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Scarpa tells the feds they were close. Think Carlo got snake to go to profaci from the gallos plus he did hits for him like killing his boss Albert a. Weather he was the shooter or getaway he must be close to him. There all bosses from Brooklyn. And the. Brother Allie was real tight with funzi tieri gamnbinos close pal. Arod just hit another dong. He should have been on the all-star team the hypocrisy.

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: pmac] #851005
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persico had zero to do with that hit, A.A.... he told his brother inlaw a b.s. story that he did it, just a lie for whatever reason

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I agree just weird he'd try to prove himself to anyone the guy killed aton. I was just at Barnes and picked up Sammy's book at the beginning he does give Carmine alot of credit even after his first hit when be got summoned he called him a legend that back in 1970. But ya I like the whole boxer in the hotel room had the weapons and it was Steve armone and maybe a jew. Gamnbinos guys can't double cross. But I'm sure this is debated.

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #851008
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steve armone , steve coogan and some others is a fact..

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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #851119
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Bronx: That rumor has been around long before the his bro inlaw gave him up.

And it is joked about by many in the know.
But having said that are you saying that the rumor came only from the family member ?


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: bronx] #851350
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Bronx, do you know if Steve Coogan is still alive? Enjoy your posts btw

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Originally Posted By: 116th_street
Bronx, do you know if Steve Coogan is still alive? Enjoy your posts btw


Nobody knows, according to Capeci his last public sighting was in 2007.

Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Serpiente] #851401
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Hello Serpiente, i don't know when the rumor started nor by whom, only source of that false rumor was by his brother in law that i heard of.. put your money on the two i told you about.

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yes he is.

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Originally Posted By: bronx
Hello Serpiente, i don't know when the rumor started nor by whom, only source of that false rumor was by his brother in law that i heard of.. put your money on the two i told you about.


Understood Bronx , thought I could get some info to use next time it was mentioned . Because it's the young bucks grand sons of Carmines kids and his brothers kids kids that are telling it to a pool deck full of there boys now.And the Orena sons son's also..

Boy how things do change ....


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: bronx] #851406
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Originally Posted By: bronx
yes he is.


Wow.

Interesting. Thx Bronx.

Guy'd be due a letter from the queen shortly..


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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #851416
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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Serpiente] #851418
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sometimes you tell a lie long enough , you believe it..humans are funny that way..but hey if some people choose to believe carmine did that is o.k. for me..i was not part of the hit team that killed A.A. so what do i know ..

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Originally Posted By: bronx
sometimes you tell a lie long enough , you believe it..humans are funny that way..but hey if some people choose to believe carmine did that is o.k. for me..i was not part of the hit team that killed A.A. so what do i know ..


Understood and agreed .
I have always herd it from way back ,and now more then ever ,one I am curious to whom started the rumor and two if it had any truth too it ..

Thanks for posting...

Last edited by Serpiente; 07/14/15 07:39 PM.

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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: bronx] #851428
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Thanks, bronx. If he did kill Anastasia, then he must be the biggest legend out there. After sonny of course

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Re: Carmine Persico & Carlo Gambino [Re: Zavattoni] #851443
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116th, most guys do not know steve g. a.k.a coogan, if you were not an old timer or from first ave crew he was very low key. , it is not something these fellows bragged about, even on the castellano hit before graveno flipped they had some of the guys wrong involved and roach was there and had the wrong guys when he flipped for a minute...who killed jerome johnson..video tapes, 150k people there..nobody arrested or talked about. mystery..plenty of colombo guys flipped ..nothing of value..not sure if gravano even spoke about A.A. hit team? maybe someone out there can say. just a thought would gambino sub this out to profaci, or tommy l? carlo had dozens of guys who did work.why profaci's guys.

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