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Furio, you need to pay more attention to other people´s posts. Vincent Asaro was not made in 1967, Casso was made in 76 or 77, Napoli and Sabato also made in the 1970s and Montiglio´s/Capeci´s words on Gaggi being made in 1960 are probably complete bullshit. I´ll say this again, NO ONE was made in New York when the books were closed (the only two exceptions being Nick Bianco and Allie Boy Persico). Is this so hard to understand?

This will be my last post on this site. 2418 is a good number. I have had fun posting here for the last 4 years and gained some very close friends. You know where and how to reach me if help is needed. If I can´t help out with something personally, I will go an extra mile and reach out to others who might be able to help out.

HK

PS, PB, I´ll shoot a PM overthere. (Gosh, a lot of P´s in this last sentence. lol)

" Why were the books closed in 57 and reopened in 76"

If you werein tgat book.able to look up that the books were closed during this specific period then why didn't you just keep reading whatever you were reading and figure out why?

My believe is that the books were closed because the families were becoming too large. Apparantly a shitload of guys were made in the 50s. I don't see why the books needed to be closed for 20 years because memberships were sold to a few guys in one particular family.

Possibly. It's also been said by some that they put a membership cap on the families so one family couldn't grow too large and pose a threat to the other families.

Aren't there set amounts of made me for each family? I don't recall were I read it or heard it. I think The Gambinos have a max of 270 made guys, The Westside about 280, the Lukes, Bonananos and Colombos about 150. Is this etched in stone or just misinformation?

First off, even though he says he's not posting anymore, I want to preface this by saying that Hairy Knuckles is THE most dedicated researcher I've ever had the pleasure of meeting online. We email each other offsite and I consider him a real friend, even if we've never actually met face to face. But I have to stand by my position that Farby (young Farby) was made around '71 or '72.

The Serpicos were from Corona, but Farby's father (also nicknamed Farby), ended up very close to Buckaloo when he was at his peak. And Buckaloo and Fat Tony did what they had to do to get him his button and put him into 116th. Now, to be clear, I'm talking about the Farby that ended up acting for Chin after he went away in '97. He died a few years later real young. I don't think he even made sixty.

I made the distinction between the Farbys because, believe or not, there were four of them. Two first cousins named Frank Serpico, both nicknamed Farby, who both had sons named Frank Serpico, also nicknamed Farby. And you wonder why FBI agents from Oregon could never get a handle on these guys .

Exactly, Sonny. And that's why the smaller, out of state families were allowed to grow themselves a bit and still make guys during the hiatus. Because even with the additional manpower, they still posed no threat to New York.

And it's good to see you posting again. It's been a long time since I've seen you here on the regular. This place could use as many quality posters as we can get, especially in this section (to be fair, the other sections run themselves and there's never any trouble there).

I belive HK that there is no prof that somebody was made,than again PB is a pal and I trust him to,so..

Yeah, HK. What he said .

Don't believe anything on my account, Alex. Like I've said a million times, HK is the best researcher I've ever met and I'm proud to call him a friend. But he depends on FBI files to a great extent, and I do not. But we respect each other enough to keep it respectful and off the boards.

That's why you'll rarely see us contradict each other, or get into an open debate on the boards, even when we disagree. You can't say that about too many guys because so many posters love to bait each other just for the sake of argument. HK's all class. And the truth is, we actually disagree on VERY few things. But this is obviously one of them.

Farby's one guy, but I firmly believe there were a few others. But I'm not going to go on about it because HK isn't here anymore. He and I will discuss the matter privately. Truth be told, we already have .

No, I don't think it's misinformation, Beans. But I don't think those numbers reflect today's LCN. The RATIO (family to family) is most likely the same, but not the actual numbers.

Westside & Gambino's are probably around 225. 200 known members, some guys slip under the feds radar.

what comes just to my mind is the 63 valachi trial.. what would you guys estimate were the number back then of guys who "slipped under the feds radar"?

Too many to count. There were Westside guys who went to their graves as recently as the '80s and '90s who were COMPLETELY off the Feds' radar. Their obituaries read just like John Q. Public's.

Too many to count. There were Westside guys who went to their graves as recently as the '80s and '90s who were COMPLETELY off the Feds' radar. Their obituaries read just like John Q. Public's.