I was speaking in general terms, Tommy. Not necessarily germane to the Mafia. But if you're asking me if there's a somewhat sizeable gap between the Genovese and Gambino families today, I would have to say yes because of the Carpenters, The ILA, and the Waterfront.

Plus, the Genoveses been able to able to make some inroads into some old locals that were so so off limits ten years ago that it was unthinkable. I wouldn't have taken 100 to 1 odds on such things happening (not that it will ever be what it once was).

The Gambinos have regrouped, they have a great guy at the helm, and they're in the best shape they've been in since the '80s. But they're always at risk of being one International drug bust away from dropping a notch.

In short, they're not #1 and #1A. They're definitely #1 and #2.