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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: NickyWhip]
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07/03/15 11:55 AM
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I read somewhere, maybe in an LE OC report that scarfo had family who were bookmakers in Pittsburgh area. Given the way all us calabrese say we all are cousins, it's plausible philly may have/had some connection to Pittsburgh. Do I think merlino has those connections? Nope. Unless he met them in the can. Merlino family is new to the mob. Chickie knew only local guys and anyone else outside was thru scarfo. But scarfos extended family appear to have been in OC since the 40s. . Yes Whip and it is not just him but the others in that family that are keeping it going . I wish I could say more but to close to home ... Just like Oscar posted above ,but like I said there is still things going on with that ...
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/03/15 11:58 AM
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I remember the Gold Coast very, VERY well. And I was going to say that it bordered the Intracoastal, rather than A1A itself, but that old article beat me to it! Hey PB, Did I tell you I ran into Carmine's wife on Nantucket? The Carmine that was stabbed back in 2001 outside his joint...you know who I'm referring to.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/03/15 12:04 PM
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I admire your dedication to the lists that you post, Furio. I'm a Bronx guy. I don't know shit about Pittsburgh, but I just wanted to tell you that. So if and when you accidentally get something wrong, don't let people get to you. You're a good kid and a valuable addition here. I'm just throwing that out there because I've been meaning to speak up for awhile. Non arrendersi mai . Furio great list. Vito Adragna was an associate to that family before he transferred to San Jose in the early 1950's to help Angelo Marino with the cheese factory. His father Frank and brother George were both made into the Pittsburgh family. Vito was tapped to be made in 55 or 56' but had debts to payoff. He was sponsored by his father Frank in The 1960's and was made into the San Jose family. Anthony Martrano was with the Trenton crew of Bufalino family I believe. The Romeo's had connections to Manhattan and the Bronx. Michael I think was made with the Genovese family of NewYork. Paul Jr. Was only an associate. Thanks pizza tanks giacomo it's nice to know that at least someone appreciates you.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: oldschool3]
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07/03/15 12:04 PM
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Serp....you are correct. It's my understanding that there have been some Philly guys using Pittsburgh associates' contacts to start their own rackets, but to the dismay of some posters....these have had to been cleared thru Pittsburgh...I must very respectfully disagree with the notion that Sonny C is the last man standing. That is an outdated notion....again, from what I understand. You have a right to your opinion. Mike Genovese died in 2006. He made 5 guys during his reign. Sonny Ciancutti, Chucky Porter, Lenny Strollo, Joey Naples and Henry Zottola. I agree, there are many "former" associates still around, but they certainly weren't formally inducted. Pittsburgh did, however, hold in high regard, high ranking associates and many who are still living. And you're right, Sonny isn't the last man standing still alive. Lenny Strollo and Chucky Porter are still out and about...but they both defected and in Strollo's case, he testified against many people.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Oscarthedago]
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07/03/15 12:06 PM
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I remember the Gold Coast very, VERY well. And I was going to say that it bordered the Intracoastal, rather than A1A itself, but that old article beat me to it! Hey PB, Did I tell you I ran into Carmine's wife on Nantucket? The Carmine that was stabbed back in 2001 outside his joint...you know who I'm referring to. Yes, I remember you telling me. The guy down in Jupiter, right?
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: pizzaboy]
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07/03/15 12:08 PM
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I remember the Gold Coast very, VERY well. And I was going to say that it bordered the Intracoastal, rather than A1A itself, but that old article beat me to it! Hey PB, Did I tell you I ran into Carmine's wife on Nantucket? The Carmine that was stabbed back in 2001 outside his joint...you know who I'm referring to. Yes, I remember you telling me. The guy down in Jupiter, right? Yeah, the North End of the county off PGA
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: helenwheels]
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07/03/15 12:10 PM
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I remember it too. Can't believe it's been closed that long already.
And now thinking of old Florida places I am dying for some Bimini bread, conch chowder and steamers from Ernie's. OMG That is exactly what I was thinking I would tell my wife I was F**ing starving and just run the red light at Sunrise and keep going south just get me to Ernies NOW!!.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Tandem]
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07/03/15 12:12 PM
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Operating Style of Pittsburgh via 1992
First, as is true of other LCN families, the Pittsburgh Family is hierarchical, with a boss, top lieutenants, soldiers, and associates. Charles Porter functions as the "underboss" while Charlie Imburgia serves as the consigliere. It is Genovese's "management" style to have direct and frequent contacts with some of his chief lieutenants, as well as with soldiers and associates who are good moneymakers. During LaRocca's regime, when Genovese and Mannarino were LaRclcca's chief lieutenants, they were as powerful as the designated underboss Joseph Pecora. Second, Genovese, as boss, and his top lieutenants typically go through channels and have buffers between them and the actual criminal activity. At the street level, are the soldiers and the many associates who report to the Family hierarchy. Genovese is in control of all members. Each member, in turn, has a number of associates who are required to report to him. Furthermore, many of these associates run their own operations and have associates who report to them. Third, the Pittsburgh Family has fewer "made" members than most other LCN families. it has a network of ambitious associates who benefit from the resources and reputation of the Family and, interestingly, consider themselves a part of, or as belonging to, the" organization." Some associates may even believe that they are "made" members, a status achieved not by way of formal rites of initiation, but by long-standing loyalty and money-making prowess for the Family. This belief is encouraged by the Family hierarchy. Fourth, while the Family may be hierarchical and heavy-handed, its money-making activities are decentralized and entrepreneurial. A member or associate has responsibilities to make money for the Family (often with his captain as conduit); but he is not an employee, nor does he have a supervisor in the conventional sense of that word. A member's or associate's stature in the Family is based largely on his ability to make money for himself and for the Family by whatever means possible. In turn, members and associates of the LaRocca/Genovese Family have their own, often interlocking, networks of criminal associates and supporters. Fifth, the Family typically receives "tribute" of one kind or another on the varied criminal enterprises which take place within the territories occupied by the Family. The hierarchy "licenses" such criminal enterprises and receives payments for restricting market entry or for other services. The Family also has mechanisms for settling disputes (including the "sitdown" meeting), whether these occur between Family members or with members or associates of other LCN Families. Finally, in some instances, it uses simple extortion, e.g., the "street tax" assessed on gambling operators. These organizational features have allowed a comparatively "small" crime family to exert a great deal of influenc& and amass considerable wealth in Western Pennsylvania. "The Family Gets a Piece of Everything" The Family typically receives "tribute" of one kind or another on varied criminal enterprises that exist within their territories. A close associate of the Pittsburgh LCN has stated: " As soon as the family found out about it (an independent bookmaking operation), they'd either want your business or a piece of your business. That's my experience. I've never seen even a relatively small book exist for very long without the family wanting either the layoff or street tax. " The nature of the tribute-both in the form of payment and its amount -may differ by area, by type of criminal enterprise, and by criminal entrepreneur (i.e., whether he is a member, an associate, or an independent). Tribute is usually paid at each level of the family hierarchy. That is, the associate or independent pays the member of the family who, in turn, passes a portion of the tribute to a higher-ranking individual. Eventually, the boss gets a portion, as do all the members along the chain. The payment of tribute entitles the associate to certain benefits. The associate is entitled to the" resources and reputation" of the family-meaning that he can operate in his territory without competition or interference from other family-connected operators/bookmakers. Further, the associate has a ready source of funds (i. e., loanshark loans) or he can seek the Family's assistance to expand his criminal enterprise. Within the Pittsburgh Family, tribute is funneled primarily through Charles Porter who collects tribute from both narcotics and gambling enterprises; through Frank Amato, who has gambling enterprises in North Braddock and East Pittsburgh; through Thomas Ciancutti, who operates gambling in the New Kensington area; and through John Bazzano, who has gambling activities in Washington County. Henry Zottola and Louis Raucci are also conduits for tribute extracted from criminal ventures. As one close associate, who worked for Frank Amato, explained, "Michael Genovese, at some point, gets a portion of everything." The amount of street tax is "whatever the Family can get" and is usually negotiable, depending on the illegal activity. Joseph Rosa, for example, defrauded an insurance firm of approximately $300,000 and paid the entire amount to the Family. Familyaffiliated bookmakers either pay as much as 1 0 percent of their profits in tribute or pay a flat monthly fee to the Family. Drug deals usually command a higher percentage of the profits for the Family coffer; up to 25 percent has been demanded. Tribute is received from bookmaking operations (numbers and sports betting) casino games (card and dice), video poker (especially in the Youngstown, OH, area), narcotics trafficking, and thievery. In gambling operations, the Family also profits from the "layoff" of bets to Family bookmakers. In one burglary incident, the burglars had to use "mob guys" to "unload the stuff (several hundred thousand dollars worth of pharmaceutical drugs)" so that the LCN would get its cut. In the words of the burglar/informant, "They stiffed us all the way." To the illegal operator, tribute is perceived as a cost of doing business. At the same time, some realize that if they refused to pay, they'd "be dead." Paying the tribute lessens but isn't an absolute guarantee against mob-involved rip-offs. The "beard" 117 and the use of "wise guy" information by Family associates are common ways of ripping off gambling operatives. A beard is an individual who places bets for others who are unable to place bets because of their past gambling successes. Wise guy information is very confidential information,-e.g., information regarding a "fixed game" or an injury to a key player. Wise guy information originates with coaches, trainers, players or other inside sources. One "beard" indicated that, using "wise guy" information, he won 85 percent of the time on basketball and 60 percent of the time on football. In other cases, a victim was set up and robbed by associates of the Family. The main role of one associate of the Pittsburgh LCN was '\.0 conduct rip-offs of drug dealers, especially smaller dealers who were not connected to the Family. The dealer's drugs and money are stolen at gun point or are ripped-off by purchasing drugs on credit, but never paying the debt. Because the perpetrators of these scams are associated with the Family, the victims are unable to avenge their losses.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: FriendoftheFamily]
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07/03/15 12:16 PM
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I remember it too. Can't believe it's been closed that long already.
And now thinking of old Florida places I am dying for some Bimini bread, conch chowder and steamers from Ernie's. OMG That is exactly what I was thinking I would tell my wife I was F**ing starving and just run the red light at Sunrise and keep going south just get me to Ernies NOW!!. So good
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/03/15 12:25 PM
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Why was put a freeze on made new members ? why after genovese dead in 2006 Bozzano don't made new members ? Bazzano? He died in 2008 and by the time Mike Genovese died in 2006, the family wasn't as active and certainly had no formal hierarchy. Bazzano had the bloodlines, but never the leadership abilities to be a boss. He was a good Capo, made alot of money and all his kids were very successful.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Neo]
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07/03/15 12:26 PM
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My English don't jibe with other New Zealanders who have been on this board because they almost certainly white boys.
Those white boys like to call themselves "kiwis" in reference to their nationality.
Which Iwi are you fulla?
Also what are your thoughts for your RWC group? Looks like you're plain sailing apart from the Pumas but you shouldn't have much trouble there. Appalling about JC though wasn't it, who was he playing for again?
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Don_Squirreleone]
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07/03/15 12:30 PM
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My English don't jibe with other New Zealanders who have been on this board because they almost certainly white boys.
Those white boys like to call themselves "kiwis" in reference to their nationality.
Which Iwi are you fulla?
What?
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Oscarthedago]
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07/03/15 12:34 PM
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My English don't jibe with other New Zealanders who have been on this board because they almost certainly white boys.
Those white boys like to call themselves "kiwis" in reference to their nationality.
Which Iwi are you fulla?
What? If he's Maori he'll know what I mean.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Don_Squirreleone]
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07/03/15 03:34 PM
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My English don't jibe with other New Zealanders who have been on this board because they almost certainly white boys.
Those white boys like to call themselves "kiwis" in reference to their nationality.
Which Iwi are you fulla?
What? If he's Maori he'll know what I mean. Wenjue Liu!!!
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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07/03/15 03:52 PM
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I admire your dedication to the lists that you post, Furio. I'm a Bronx guy. I don't know shit about Pittsburgh, but I just wanted to tell you that. So if and when you accidentally get something wrong, don't let people get to you. You're a good kid and a valuable addition here. I'm just throwing that out there because I've been meaning to speak up for awhile. Non arrendersi mai . Furio great list. Vito Adragna was an associate to that family before he transferred to San Jose in the early 1950's to help Angelo Marino with the cheese factory. His father Frank and brother George were both made into the Pittsburgh family. Vito was tapped to be made in 55 or 56' but had debts to payoff. He was sponsored by his father Frank in The 1960's and was made into the San Jose family. Anthony Martrano was with the Trenton crew of Bufalino family I believe. The Romeo's had connections to Manhattan and the Bronx. Michael I think was made with the Genovese family of NewYork. Paul Jr. Was only an associate. Thanks pizza tanks giacomo it's nice to know that at least someone appreciates you. Lol. Furio, I appreciate you too man.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/03/15 03:55 PM
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You are very enthusiastic Furio. I know you enjoy the small families as do I, have you looked into the history of San Jose and San Francisco, many Pittsburgh mobsters went out there and John LaRocca's cousins were Alphones and Pasquale LaRocca from San Francisco. I think you'd enjoy those families
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: Don_Squirreleone]
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07/03/15 04:12 PM
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My English don't jibe with other New Zealanders who have been on this board because they almost certainly white boys.
Those white boys like to call themselves "kiwis" in reference to their nationality.
Which Iwi are you fulla?
Also what are your thoughts for your RWC group? Looks like you're plain sailing apart from the Pumas but you shouldn't have much trouble there. Appalling about JC though wasn't it, who was he playing for again?
Tuhoe. We'll take it out and the Pumas will just be a warm up. JC's misses was driving and yeah it was a damn shame. He played for the AB's and Hurricanes.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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Anyway fellas, Punjab has been outed, let's get back to the topic if you still want to discuss.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/03/15 08:31 PM
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Tried to troll and it blew up in my face . on the other hand drove by McDonalds seen they had the mclobster roll for sale stop in and tried it wasn't impressed for 7.99$ taste good but no meat. You don't see those at the New York McDonald's. But a true New England lobster roll is one of my favorite things in the whole world during the summer. Right up there with cold little necks and beer steamed piss clams. The Norwalk lobster festival used to put on a good show, and it's only about a 45 minute shot up I95 from Throggs Neck. But I'm not even sure if they do it anymore. It's been years.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
[Re: pizzaboy]
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Tried to troll and it blew up in my face . on the other hand drove by McDonalds seen they had the mclobster roll for sale stop in and tried it wasn't impressed for 7.99$ taste good but no meat. You don't see those at the New York McDonald's. But a true New England lobster roll is one of my favorite things in the whole world during the summer. Right up there with cold little necks and beer steamed piss clams. The Norwalk lobster festival used to put on a good show, and it's only about a 45 minute shot up I95 from Throggs Neck. But I'm not even sure if they do it anymore. It's been years. Go to the Lobster Pound in Guilford, CT as well as the Madison Beach Hotel, can't go wrong with either.
As Uncle Charlie used to say, "Never get into pissing matches with skunks."
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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07/03/15 11:32 PM
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Neo, England beat you Kiwi [BadWord] at the cricket last month, deal with it. Yes, I'm well aware the BlackCaps are fucking embarrassing.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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Update: Was just in Pittsburgh for a few days. I talked to some locals, old and young, I spent most of my time in downtown but they all said nearly the same thing, the area is becoming more affluent. More and more high rise apartments etc. More people choosing to move to Pittsburgh, pushing a lot of the crime out to the outskirts to certain neighborhoods, and of course the random robbings. But for the most part, the young guy, who happened to be African-American, said a lot of the crime is committed by African-Americans against tourists, or against each other.
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Re: State of the Pittsburgh family? And maybe WV
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There is no Pittsburgh family, they are gone, dead and buried.
There were about 5 made guys and 10 connected guys as of 2011.
Fast forward to 2015 and as a family, they are no more.
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