Just curious about this, I assume it was to stop any more rats like Valachi getting made or does it go deeper than that?

Perhaps the commission decided to downsize CL in an effort to stay off the government radar (as best they can).

Maybe it was to stop LE trying to infiltrate their ranks with undercover ops after the Valachi disclosures?

Apalachin, New York on November 14, 1957

Valachi didn't flip until after Apalachin.

Also the books were not totally closed until 76. Nicky Bianco was made in the 60's I believe. Patriarca had him made in NYC.

A few guys slipped through the cracks during that time period .

Yep I bet

some guys were made in other cities then brought back..

was that happening?Im suprised more guys didnt get made that way.

Im surprised families outside of NYC were allowed to initiate when NYC wasnt.

Yes a few guys did slip through in new York. But think books being closed were for the tri state area families, as so the families would stop expanding. I know SF and NO were exempt from this as they were older families. Some of the smaller families made members during this time as well.

The books being closed was kind of overexaggerated. Some guys got made in between. Nino gaggi is one of the more popular name.

Frank Scalise, an old-timer in Anastasia's family, was caught selling buttons in that family for $50k each. He was whacked in '57. Some believe that's what caused the books to close.

Turnbull get the point but even Patriarca sr made Angiulo because he promises 100,000 a month only for the boss,maybe the book was reopened after Carlo Gambino death.

Some guys was made when the book was officilly close.

Colombo

1972:Alphonse "Allie Boy" Perisco

Bonanno

1968: Vincent Asaro

Gambino

1960: Anthony "Nino" Gangi

Lucchese

1974:
Anthony “Gaspipe” Casso

Genovese

1967:
James “Jimmy Nap” Napoli
Guiseppe “Joseph” Sabato


Info on the others family ?

Not sure how much that list is accurate Furio..For sure casso was not made in 74,Nino Gaggi pre 1957

A little surprised guys was made outside Nyc in when back.

I always thought the "selling buttons" thing was a pretext to get Gambino into the number two spot.

Farby got made in the early '70s as well. I don't care what his FBI file says. The Feds aren't ALWAYS right. They're right MOST of the time, but not ALL of the time. And you guys know me, I never pick on the researchers here. Without them, you wouldn't have half the information about the ancient history of the American mob.

But I'm sorry, when it comes to 116th Street up through the East Bronx during my lifetime, the FBI isn't telling me anything that I don't already know. And there were other guys made into that crew during the "hiatus" that the Feds have marked down as "Made in 1976 or 1977."

@ Hairy Knuckles, if you read this, shoot me a pm on the other site. There's something I have to help you with (and no, it's not the Funzi/Benny thing). I respect your opinion even though I believe with all my heart and soul that the opposite is true. That's why I never reply to those threads. I don't like arguing with friends. It's about a few guys who were made during the "hiatus."

Furio, you need to pay more attention to other people´s posts. Vincent Asaro was not made in 1967, Casso was made in 76 or 77, Napoli and Sabato also made in the 1970s and Montiglio´s/Capeci´s words on Gaggi being made in 1960 are probably complete bullshit. I´ll say this again, NO ONE was made in New York when the books were closed (the only two exceptions being Nick Bianco and Allie Boy Persico). Is this so hard to understand?

This will be my last post on this site. 2418 is a good number. I have had fun posting here for the last 4 years and gained some very close friends. You know where and how to reach me if help is needed. If I can´t help out with something personally, I will go an extra mile and reach out to others who might be able to help out.

HK

PS, PB, I´ll shoot a PM overthere. (Gosh, a lot of P´s in this last sentence. lol)

@HK see my post above yours.

Damn, HK, that sucks you are leaving. Always enjoyed your posts.

HK...We will miss you but understand. Can I ask one of the guys for your email? I'd like to keep in touch with you, if that's ok. Like I always say...HK you're the man, you know your stuff!!!!

dam hk no more post that sucks. but im thinking vito genovese doesnt go to jail till somtime in 59 after his appeals who the fuck gonna tell him his books are shut before he gets his house in order and goes to jail, he was probaly having mass inductions. anyway buster ardito gets caught on a bug in 2004 ssaying he was inducted in 1958. the feds used it agaust him at a bail hearing.

Best of luck Hairy. Shame to see you go.

HK, a true stand up guy who I look forward to seeing "on the other side."

Salute'!

I'm sorry to see you go too, HK. You were a great contributor. A very well informed guy.

Can you blame him?

I love this board and stick up for the owner and the mods all over the place. But there's just no way to keep the vermin out. It's old and tiresome.

God willing this kid goes to jail in November, I GUARANTEE that at LEAST a dozen usernames go suddenly dormant.

Good luck HK buddy,poz zemljace

High oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA you are correct sir. This might be a nice place again.

It is a sad day to see HK go. You take care of yourself Hairy and take a load off.

See you on the "other side" buddy.cheers