I did a comparison of the two lists, while the first is accurate but don't distinguish between made men and associates, the second is not error-free as in other lists of the same site there were many errors.

We can say that the Kansas City family, making a comparison between the two lists have two captains and 22 ade men to which most in old age, so say if a family is still viable is controversial, maybe someone with moreexperience maybe Ivy can answer.

But a 20 + made men crime family for a 400.000 city can be a viable family.