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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: rockstar_man45]
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Giuliani was a great mayor because he had the most important gift of great leadership: the ability to cut through all the crap and identify a single, simple, but overpoweringly important objective--and to remain focused on it despite every distraction and provocation:
Every mayor of NYC understood that crime-and-grime were important, and some tried to address it. Giuliani, alone, understood the underlying issue: the perception that the city was ungovernable and out of control. The average NYer or visitor was unlikely to be murdered, beaten, robbed, raped or mugged on any given day. But, they were very likely to encounter other signs of lawlessness: turnstile-jumpers, three-card monte players, low-level drug dealers, radio-blasters, litterers, aggressive panhandling, etc. Giuliani went after those "quality of life" crimes aggressively, and demanded that everyone around him stay focused on them, not just the police.
Not surprisingly, Giuliani's focus resulted not only in the city becoming cleaner and more civil, but in a large number of arrests for felonies, and a lower crime rate. Turned out that a large percentage of people ticketed or arrested for "minor" crimes had outstanding warrants for felonies. In one case, a guy who brutally murdered an Upper East Side woman in her cleaning store was nabbed because he had a warrant for turnstile-jumping. In another case: a young woman was attacked and almost killed on a busy street corner by a brick-wielding, deranged homeless man. Giuliani immediately recognized that it was exactly the kind of crime people fear most: a senseless, unprovoked attack that can't be guarded against. He assigned 80 detectives to track the perp down and was on radio and TV three times a day, giving NYers updates. They got the guy in a few days. Giuliani's big effort wouldn't have prevented another senseless attack. But, he proved to NYers that he cared about, and was outraged by, the crime. He built confidence.
My personal experience: In the late '90's, I walked all the way from Penn Station to 99th Street on the East Side to visit an aunt in the hospital. The streets were incredibly clean, I didn't encounter one panhandler, and I was amazed at how quiet it was.
His courage and leadership on 9/11 and afterward were magnificent. All of America, not just New York, owes him a debt of gratitude.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Turnbull]
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06/09/15 11:08 AM
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Giuliani was a great mayor because he had the most important gift of great leadership: the ability to cut through all the crap and identify a single, simple, but overpoweringly important objective--and to remain focused on it despite every distraction and provocation:
Every mayor of NYC understood that crime-and-grime were important, and some tried to address it. Giuliani, alone, understood the underlying issue: the perception that the city was ungovernable and out of control. The average NYer or visitor was unlikely to be murdered, beaten, robbed, raped or mugged on any given day. But, they were very likely to encounter other signs of lawlessness: turnstile-jumpers, three-card monte players, low-level drug dealers, radio-blasters, litterers, aggressive panhandling, etc. Giuliani went after those "quality of life" crimes aggressively, and demanded that everyone around him stay focused on them, not just the police.
Not surprisingly, Giuliani's focus resulted not only in the city becoming cleaner and more civil, but in a large number of arrests for felonies, and a lower crime rate. Turned out that a large percentage of people ticketed or arrested for "minor" crimes had outstanding warrants for felonies. In one case, a guy who brutally murdered an Upper East Side woman in her cleaning store was nabbed because he had a warrant for turnstile-jumping. In another case: a young woman was attacked and almost killed on a busy street corner by a brick-wielding, deranged homeless man. Giuliani immediately recognized that it was exactly the kind of crime people fear most: a senseless, unprovoked attack that can't be guarded against. He assigned 80 detectives to track the perp down and was on radio and TV three times a day, giving NYers updates. They got the guy in a few days. Giuliani's big effort wouldn't have prevented another senseless attack. But, he proved to NYers that he cared about, and was outraged by, the crime. He built confidence.
My personal experience: In the late '90's, I walked all the way from Penn Station to 99th Street on the East Side to visit an aunt in the hospital. The streets were incredibly clean, I didn't encounter one panhandler, and I was amazed at how quiet it was.
His courage and leadership on 9/11 and afterward were magnificent. All of America, not just New York, owes him a debt of gratitude. Well put, TB.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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06/09/15 11:40 AM
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If only there was some way he could beat out Hillary this year. I think it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that she will be our next president unfortunately. Never happen. I said it in 2008, when everyone thought she was a sure thing, and I'll say it again. She'll never be President. She has too much baggage and she's too fucking old. When Reagan, Dole and McCain ran their campaigns, the Left was all too quick to mock their age. Well, guess what? She's the same age now as they were then. What's good for the Right is good for the Left. Besides, have you seen her poll numbers these past few weeks? But Giuliani doesn't have a prayer either. His post 9/11 self-adulation turned off too many people. Perfect example: I loved him while he was in office, today I can't stand the sight of him.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Revis_Knicks]
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I think Giuliani was a great mayor and doesn't seem to get as much credit as he deserves sometimes. I understand that a lot of people don't like him because he cheated on his wife and I was disgusted by it myself but there are far worse things he could've done that would've made him look worse. He was a good mayor. NYC has become a liberal city. Liberals hate him. He only got in because Dinkins fucked up the riot in crown hts. I liked when he refused the money the Saudi's tried to give us after 9/11. He knew they had something to do with 9/11. Cheating on his wife he was not hated for that. I just thought he was weak willed for cheating on his wife like most guys.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
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Never happen. I said it in 2008, when everyone thought she was a sure thing, and I'll say it again. She'll never be President. She has too much baggage and she's too fucking old. but she has a ton of money to spend. Plus she is a women maybe Dole the Left was all too quick to mock their age. I hated when they did that to Dole. What did AARP do when they saw that? not a fucking thing. That is one of the million reasons I am not a member of the AARP their a bunch of ass kissers. They only want to get kick backs from the many companies that they indorse
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: pizzaboy]
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06/14/15 09:14 AM
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If only there was some way he could beat out Hillary this year. I think it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that she will be our next president unfortunately. Never happen. I said it in 2008, when everyone thought she was a sure thing, and I'll say it again. She'll never be President. She has too much baggage and she's too fucking old. When Reagan, Dole and McCain ran their campaigns, the Left was all too quick to mock their age. Well, guess what? She's the same age now as they were then. What's good for the Right is good for the Left. Besides, have you seen her poll numbers these past few weeks? But Giuliani doesn't have a prayer either. His post 9/11 self-adulation turned off too many people. Perfect example: I loved him while he was in office, today I can't stand the sight of him. I hope you're right bud. I will say that at least he supports the hell out of cops unlike the current mayor in New York. The president doesn't seem to support cops either.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
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06/14/15 08:59 PM
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I don't have a great deal of respect for guiliani. The main thing people give him credit for, and maybe he deserves it, is the crime fighting prowess. But from what I understand, that was just his implimentation of the broken glass theories of the Manhattan Institute. Beyond that, he was incompetent as a mayor and at being a human.
Here you have a guy who crossdresses, married his 1st cousin, released the sealed records of a murdered victim of police brutality thus revealing that, gasp, the guy once punched someone in the face, big deal. Here you have a so-called mayor who in response to police brutality complaints then arms the police with hollow point bullets to use against civilians with the excuse that they are "safer" because they will explode on impact and not pass through a target thus hitting someone behind them. Here you have a guy who had a reputation as THE mob buster, and IMHO all he did was make sure the mafia survived by redirecting prosecutions to ten or so guys at the top instead of damn near everyone in Ozone Park, Mulbery Street, Bensonhurst, or you name it. He did not put in the leg work directing the surveillance teams, the crime family squads, flipping perps to become informants, etc. He stole Walter Mack's recognition for his hard work and achievements and protected the mafia. His ability to misappropriate the glory of real policemen and law enforcement tells me all I need to know, or want to know, about that guy.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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06/14/15 10:14 PM
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I don't have a great deal of respect for guiliani. The main thing people give him credit for, and maybe he deserves it, is the crime fighting prowess. But from what I understand, that was just his implimentation of the broken glass theories of the Manhattan Institute. Beyond that, he was incompetent as a mayor and at being a human.
Here you have a guy who crossdresses, married his 1st cousin, released the sealed records of a murdered victim of police brutality thus revealing that, gasp, the guy once punched someone in the face, big deal. Here you have a so-called mayor who in response to police brutality complaints then arms the police with hollow point bullets to use against civilians with the excuse that they are "safer" because they will explode on impact and not pass through a target thus hitting someone behind them. Here you have a guy who had a reputation as THE mob buster, and IMHO all he did was make sure the mafia survived by redirecting prosecutions to ten or so guys at the top instead of damn near everyone in Ozone Park, Mulbery Street, Bensonhurst, or you name it. He did not put in the leg work directing the surveillance teams, the crime family squads, flipping perps to become informants, etc. He stole Walter Mack's recognition for his hard work and achievements and protected the mafia. His ability to misappropriate the glory of real policemen and law enforcement tells me all I need to know, or want to know, about that guy. This sounds like a biased opinion rather than a well thought out critique of his time as Mayor. Guiliani, by the standards of people like Dinkins and DeBlasio, was an excellent Mayor. He's miles ahead of those two. If you want more proof, just read Turnbull's post on the subject. He's an excellent go to guy on this stuff. PB as well
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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06/14/15 11:03 PM
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I don't have a great deal of respect for guiliani. The main thing people give him credit for, and maybe he deserves it, is the crime fighting prowess. But from what I understand, that was just his implimentation of the broken glass theories of the Manhattan Institute. Beyond that, he was incompetent as a mayor and at being a human.
Here you have a guy who crossdresses, married his 1st cousin, released the sealed records of a murdered victim of police brutality thus revealing that, gasp, the guy once punched someone in the face, big deal. Here you have a so-called mayor who in response to police brutality complaints then arms the police with hollow point bullets to use against civilians with the excuse that they are "safer" because they will explode on impact and not pass through a target thus hitting someone behind them. Here you have a guy who had a reputation as THE mob buster, and IMHO all he did was make sure the mafia survived by redirecting prosecutions to ten or so guys at the top instead of damn near everyone in Ozone Park, Mulbery Street, Bensonhurst, or you name it. He did not put in the leg work directing the surveillance teams, the crime family squads, flipping perps to become informants, etc. He stole Walter Mack's recognition for his hard work and achievements and protected the mafia. His ability to misappropriate the glory of real policemen and law enforcement tells me all I need to know, or want to know, about that guy. great post alfa, I am one guy who completely agrees with you, crime-buster my ass, he's a shameless self-serving egomaniac. and deserves no respect.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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06/14/15 11:10 PM
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I don't have a great deal of respect for guiliani. There's a big fucking surprise . He stole Walter Mack's recognition for his hard work and achievements Walter Mack worked for him. It happens every day, private sector, public sector, you name it. Yeah, he protected the Mafia. How many of YOUR relatives did Giuliani put away? If the answer isn't greater than zero, please don't reply to me, or I'm likely to go off the fucking rails. Because I distinctly remember having this exact same conversation with you the other day in another thread when you said "You're right. I'm busted. I'm no street guy." You then went on the same diatribe about Giuliani helping the Mafia because "I continue to be mesmerized by the recount of history in Murder Machine." No shit you're not a street guy. A street guy would never use the word mesmerized . See? I'm trying to be nice by using humor. But Giuliani's goal was to break the fucking Mafia. And if you have a single relative who died in prison because of that man, and you still think he helped the mob, then I'll value your opinion somewhat. But we both know Goddamn well that that didn't happen. So let's leave it at that.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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06/14/15 11:18 PM
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From what I can see, no two posters have the exact same take on guiliani. Turnbull loves him. Pizza can't stand him. But for polarity's sake, you could say my opinion is the opposite pole to Turnbull's. I really don't see any redeeming qualities in giuliani as an attempted but failed human. Whoa, I loved Giuliani as Mayor and said as much in my initial post about him. As a District Attorney? That's a different story. And post 9/11, I can't stand the self-adulation, and he'd never get my vote. Unless it was against Hillary. great post alfa, I am one guy who completely agrees with you, crime-buster my ass, he's a shameless self-serving egomaniac. and deserves no respect. All you do is parrot what he says. What's considered a crime buster in Idaho? Barney Fife? Thanks Binnie. It is warming to even read a mere reply from you. He practices an awful lot. You're either the same guy or he has a serious man-crush on you .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
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06/14/15 11:19 PM
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You misread both PB and me, Alfa. PB said he loved him while he was in office, but can't stand him now. Thanks, TB. I'm glad someone read it through .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
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06/14/15 11:38 PM
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LOl I'd have to log in and out pretty fast to pretend to be both Binnie and Alfa. But I think we couldn't be mistaken for the same guy being as we have different IP addresses LOL That was obviously a joke, too. I'm trying to show what a funny guy I can be .
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
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I don't have a great deal of respect for guiliani. The main thing people give him credit for, and maybe he deserves it, is the crime fighting prowess. But from what I understand, that was just his implimentation of the broken glass theories of the Manhattan Institute. Beyond that, he was incompetent as a mayor and at being a human.
Here you have a guy who crossdresses, married his 1st cousin, released the sealed records of a murdered victim of police brutality thus revealing that, gasp, the guy once punched someone in the face, big deal. Here you have a so-called mayor who in response to police brutality complaints then arms the police with hollow point bullets to use against civilians with the excuse that they are "safer" because they will explode on impact and not pass through a target thus hitting someone behind them. Here you have a guy who had a reputation as THE mob buster, and IMHO all he did was make sure the mafia survived by redirecting prosecutions to ten or so guys at the top instead of damn near everyone in Ozone Park, Mulbery Street, Bensonhurst, or you name it. He did not put in the leg work directing the surveillance teams, the crime family squads, flipping perps to become informants, etc. He stole Walter Mack's recognition for his hard work and achievements and protected the mafia. His ability to misappropriate the glory of real policemen and law enforcement tells me all I need to know, or want to know, about that guy. great post alfa, I am one guy who completely agrees with you, crime-buster my ass, he's a shameless self-serving egomaniac. and deserves no respect. And you would know this because you're a smart, worldly, well educated individual? Please. I'll take the opinions of people who ACUTALLY lived in New York under the time of Guiliani as mayor and his time as DA. I also have an aunt, uncle, and numerous friends who remember life under Rudy Guiliani as the mayor. Was he perfect man? Absolutely not and people will have different opinions him. The problem is yours is based on virtually nothing. Alfa same goes for you. Especially when you misread posts as often as you do
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Re: Opinion of Rudy Giuliani as mayor
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True rockstar, I misread posts, but that's because of quickly skimming them. Did I reside in NYC during "Giuliani Time!" ?
You Betcha.
And anyone from here knows exactly what Guiliani Time meant. Maybe when New York got safer and a more enjoyable place to live. Just my guess. I heard the seventies and eighties really weren't a great period for many in NYC
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