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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 08:39 AM
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I imagine Devita viewed the order as an insult to him considering he was born in Sicily, interesting about Barbato - I thought he was a major player still. Anybody remember this clown Frank DiMattina? He was supposed to be a member of Barbato's crew so I thought he was still active - http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ma...rticle-1.975429 I wonder if there is any animosity between the NJ skippers and the NJ conduit to the administration in the Bronx. Interesting to note if you recall the recent DeCavalcante bust this year the elder Stagno claimed they were under the Gambinos, they were in Toms River area as well.. I wonder if those idiot DeCavalcante guys were answering to the Gambino zip relatives everyones been talking about If so, another smart/perceptive move by the Westside. Great/informative thread here. Hope to see more threads like this in the near future.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 08:52 AM
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Wikipedia and stuff will lead you to believe that everybody in jersey kinda answered to Tino Fiumara when he was alive, especially after the Chin passed away. Was that true? Or just internet fodder? Tino did A LOT of time. And when he came home, Prisco was kinda running things. But not the "day-to-day." Angelo was more of a conduit between New York and New Jersey. That's where the Feds got it wrong (and I don't care what any press release or FBI file says, they ain't telling me ANYTHING about Angelo Prisco). The entire time the stupid Feds had Angelo in charge of the Jersey faction, he was still operating out of his headquarters in Westchester Square here in the Bronx, and spending his spare time down in Florida. They left Jersey to Jersey. Angelo was more of a "go-between" than anything else. I'd say that Angelo equaled Tino in overall power, but in a different area (obviously in the Bronx, Westchester and 116th--when 116th was still 116th ). But when Tino came home after that fifteen-year bid, he was the top guy out there--except for when he was away on violations .
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 09:04 AM
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pizzaboy
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I wonder if there is any animosity between the NJ skippers and the NJ conduit to the administration in the Bronx. Nope. I talked about this at length recently, so I'll keep it short. QD is pretty much retired. But he still has some trucking interests and an old shy book in North Jersey. And one of the top guys in that faction is like a son to him. Plus, you have a ton of old Bronx and Harlem guys living in Jersey and operating out of New York. That's done for a reason. It keeps everybody happy. They're not like the other families. After the Costello-Genovese clusterfuck, there has been less infighting within the Genovese family than any other family. And that's one of the main reasons they're still at the top. As far as Silvio being "insulted," I suppose he could have just told Vince to go fuck himself after Andy Gerardo died. But he probably would have woke up dead the next day.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 09:18 AM
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Funny
A guy under Devita control in late 90s built 2 condos I have
They were all fucked up , cost me $20k each to get everything good including the heat / cooling where they can really cheap out on systems , windows , insulation , siding etc plus messes up concrete work
We had to sue them but they went BK and it was settled for a fraction of mess ups
Bastards, lol , but then again the places look great now
I use polish guys now , they may smoke a lot but do good work for a fraction of most other smaller sub contractors . We call em the polish mafia lol , but they are good
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 01:42 PM
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I'm sure Sammartino has things going on , that area is very lucrative and corrupt with bookies everywhere . He lived in my area so I know him from a point out standpoint
But still their JV to another family
In northern NJ the big construction and garbage is still mostly Italian owned so whoever moved out there first is doing well with a lot less heat. Monster construction in my area right now ( right outside NYC ) and it's basically being done by 1 guy , Italian
Many 2nd generation NYC Italians moved out this way so I guess the smart ones followed the business so to speak I'm guessing your talking about the Bayonne area or the Marion section of Jersey City? I got off the PATH train at Journal Square a few years ago, coming home from work. Didn't look very nice. But I had a few friends from Bayonne while I was working in Perth Amboy. I was told Bayonne was still livable.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 04:00 PM
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Though we haven't seen any official word on it yet, I remember Skinny saying that crew was divided up between Silvio DeVita and Dominick Cirillo. Does that match up with what you've heard, PB, or it is something different? That's about right, Ivy. But like I said, Danny Pagano had basically become Dom's physical presence on the street. And now that Danny's away, someone else from the Bronx is running that portion of that crew, and DeVita is obviously running the other portion. dom is a great guy, close to chin forever..no rumor i have heard dom lost his position or creds. maybe its not for the world to know.. I've been telling people here for at least two or three years that he's reigned it in quite a bit. But a lot of people have a hard time believing that these guys retire (or at least semi-retire). Dom's never at the place by the Pelham Bay station anymore, yet the guy from North Jersey/Rockland is there constantly. And he's not making that commute for nothing. You do the math .
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 04:22 PM
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I believe you on Prisco for sure PB
Whether it him or Tino, more likely Prisco as Tino was inside a lot but they oversaw a great gambling expansion into S NJ and even some philly I bieve when that area had a bigger priority list. Very smart and lucrative business moves that is fair game and even today not much LE paying attention to that area , especially gaming which made millions , huge book and wouldn't be surprised if that was parlayed into other traditionals. All speculation on my part tho, but I do know Sandy wasn't terrible for everyone as bad as that is
I also fully believe you about QD as you set me straight on that one as I thought differently , but still that's a good guy to have around for sound advice here and there . Come to think of it they have a bunch of those guys , schooling kids the right way which today is invaluable IMO
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/27/15 04:45 PM
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Though we haven't seen any official word on it yet, I remember Skinny saying that crew was divided up between Silvio DeVita and Dominick Cirillo. Does that match up with what you've heard, PB, or it is something different? That's about right, Ivy. But like I said, Danny Pagano had basically become Dom's physical presence on the street. And now that Danny's away, someone else from the Bronx is running that portion of that crew, and DeVita is obviously running the other portion. dom is a great guy, close to chin forever..no rumor i have heard dom lost his position or creds. maybe its not for the world to know.. I've been telling people here for at least two or three years that he's reigned it in quite a bit. But a lot of people have a hard time believing that these guys retire (or at least semi-retire). Dom's never at the place by the Pelham Bay station anymore, yet the guy from North Jersey/Rockland is there constantly. And he's not making that commute for nothing. You do the math . Wow, did I really make both of those posts that far apart? Go ask Ed Leiber and my other critics over there if I can Google the future. I think Ed has ten usernames over there. On his own site. And my old buddy Cornuto Faggutto has the other ten. The sickest people on these sites are the guys who envy knowledge. It drives them fucking crazy.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 05:19 AM
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Bayonne is a mere shadow of its former self. Used to be italian and polish. Lots of garbage moved into bayonne over the years though. Bayonne is almost an extension of brooklyn, very similar is certain ways. If you drive through bayonne, you will notice a lot of empty stores that closed down. Its kind of depressing. Its strange, its almost as if the city is it a stand still and waiting for that next big building boom that will turn it into the new hoboken or jersey city since its right on the water.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 07:49 AM
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I did a lot of work on the JC waterfront, around the exchange place PATH tunnel. Bayonne has to hold on and it will come around.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 07:58 AM
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Nice work Nicky , that area is gorgeous now
That and Hoboken are almost like the 6th borough lol
But I agree , it will hit them . If the town was smart they would invest in a near free
Direct ferry to downtown and the midtown .
I live by Harrison which was a total shithole but that Wall Street access
Blew it up . And that developer was Italian
There is a rumor that where I live might get a new train station , fingers crossed
As I've invested here and again it's that same Italian builder who has basically only been building around areas with NYC trains . You can still get good deals too so I'm looking as things seem to be changing quickly
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 10:51 AM
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Did the old guy dentico pasz yet hes got to be about 90+. jersey Guy i read went to the massino peter gotti meeting. I wish it came out in some 302 by either vitale or massino. Could you imagine the disscusions. Peter gotti massino cop killer waverly dentico and whoever came for amuso. It did come out peter gotti wanted to know were the bonannos were getting all there recruits. But i wonder why the westside went and how the invite happend and what was thers beef. Louie bagels daidone represented the lucchese family at the meeting Among the topics of discussion were whether to disband the Colombo family and merge it with the others. Besides being entirely impractical, they decided it would be disrespectful to Carmine Persico. There was also a push by the others for John Gotti to step down as boss. Peter Gotti defended his brother and came back with, "Why doesn't Chin step down then?" The answer was that Chin was expected to get out one day while Gotti never would.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 11:43 AM
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[quote=pmac]Did the old guy dentico pasz yet hes got to be about 90+. jersey Guy i read went to the massino peter gotti meeting. I wish it came out in some 302 by either vitale or massino. Could you imagine the disscusions. Peter gotti massino cop killer waverly dentico and whoever came for amuso. It did come out peter gotti wanted to know were the bonannos were getting all there recruits. But i wonder why the westside went and how the invite happend and what was thers beef. Louie bagels daidone represented the lucchese family at the meeting [/quot Among the topics of discussion were whether to disband the Colombo family and merge it with the others. Besides being entirely impractical, they decided it would be disrespectful to Carmine Persico. There was also a push by the others for John Gotti to step down as boss. Peter Gotti defended his brother and came back with, "Why doesn't Chin step down then?" The answer was that Chin was expected to get out one day while Gotti never would. I wonder hat they think now? RE: disbanding the Colombos. But back to Bayonne, I always asked my coworkers who lived there about growing up in Bayonne and what it was like. They are totally legit and hardworking now but some had street history. One of the guys was talking about doing insurance jobs on cars and sending the cars off the pier into Newark Bay. I am sure that they were aligned with someone at the time.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 01:12 PM
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Bayonne is a city so definately a lot of street crimes
Like I said they had a dare cops busted for selling drugs ( E)
Big gambling town so pretty lucrative for the streets
Man those car scams are legendary . I had 1 friend that had a tow company ,
Anything borderline and it was towed and then disappeared .
Now the scam is predator towing to the point of coming out with laws to stop it
In NJ at least , that towing thing started with a JC company / crew
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 04:46 PM
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Bayonne is a city so definately a lot of street crimes
Like I said they had a dare cops busted for selling drugs ( E)
Big gambling town so pretty lucrative for the streets
Man those car scams are legendary . I had 1 friend that had a tow company ,
Anything borderline and it was towed and then disappeared .
Now the scam is predator towing to the point of coming out with laws to stop it
In NJ at least , that towing thing started with a JC company / crew Thanks for the info, DB. Love hearing about neighborhood stuff. Predatory towing is HUGE in Queens right now. As for Newark, Dante, I can definitely see downtown Newark gentrifying. Very convenient, cheap and historic: a hipsters dream. I was in ironbound recently to pick up a TWIC card for work. Ferry street is great.
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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Did the old guy dentico pasz yet hes got to be about 90+. jersey Guy i read went to the massino peter gotti meeting. I wish it came out in some 302 by either vitale or massino. Could you imagine the disscusions. Peter gotti massino cop killer waverly dentico and whoever came for amuso. It did come out peter gotti wanted to know were the bonannos were getting all there recruits. But i wonder why the westside went and how the invite happend and what was thers beef. Louie bagels daidone represented the lucchese family at the meeting Among the topics of discussion were whether to disband the Colombo family and merge it with the others. Besides being entirely impractical, they decided it would be disrespectful to Carmine Persico. There was also a push by the others for John Gotti to step down as boss. Peter Gotti defended his brother and came back with, "Why doesn't Chin step down then?" The answer was that Chin was expected to get out one day while Gotti never would. Ivy, was that in Massino's testimony? Is it online?
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 05:11 PM
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whats matthew madonna up to? hes an interesting character. A lot, apparently, as he was indicted in major Lucchese busts in 2007 and 2009, as well as reported to be acting/street boss last year. But he is NY based. No, I mean after that. I know his lawyers keep delaying the trial but its been like 8 years lol According to Gangland, he's pleaded guilty in the 2009 case. He'll receive between one and three years when sentenced.
"I die outside; I die in jail. It don't matter to me," -John Franzese
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Re: Who is the powerhouse guy in nj (any family)
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05/28/15 05:40 PM
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According to Gangland, he's pleaded guilty in the 2009 case. He'll receive between one and three years when sentenced. They're looking for concurrent time on the other charges. I know I've posted it here before, but I feel bad for the guys on the bottom of the indictment. A couple of them are just part-time bookmakers with full-time working-stiff jobs. And they STILL haven't wrapped up their cases because they have no choice in the matter. Frozen assets and the whole nine yards for over five years now, just because their guy was with this guy, and this guy was with that guy, and straight to the top. These multi-count indictments where they grab forty guys at a time are bullshit. It should be illegal. But the Feds know that when they grab forty guys at a time, that they'll usually find a weak link somewhere near the bottom of the indictment. And if they get lucky, sometimes near the top.
"I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.
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