Yep y'all are right. I did some checking (have been without internet since Saturday) and the cops said they were already in the parking lot BEFORE the fight even occurred. So obviously since Twin Peaks refused to refuse the biker meeting, the cops decided to be there and get something started it seems. They said their response was 30-45 seconds, so there is NO DOUBT they were posted up and waiting with guns aimed. To top it off, no uniformed officers were posted INSIDE the Twin Peaks but yet they were so scared of what was fixing to happen. Like you said Alfanosgirl, it was like a shooting gallery for them with the "redneck bikers" running out weapons in hand.

Some things I've noticed:

1. The cops have a vendetta with the local m/c's AND the people at Twin Peaks since they claim they wouldn't "cooperate" with them and ban paying customers who obviously had never caused problems there at Twin Peaks.

2. They more than likely shot first and asked questions later. If their response was less than 45 seconds, I seriously doubt they even had enough time to identify themselves.

3. They made sure they have smeared the franchise owner and managers are Twin Peaks. Now TP has pulled their franchise rights and the restaurant will obviously close down as the state is looking into their liquor license now as well.

4. This was supposed to have been a peace meeting of all the local m/c's big and small. It seems there was to be no show of force in hurting other members of other m/c's until this "supposedly happened".

5. There was NEVER an order to kill the cops. Even the DFW and Waco local presidents and the state president of the Bandidos has come out and said it would be suicide to come out and shoot at the cops and in no way were they that stupid and ignorant. Yet we keep hearing about how they have been green lit and expect more violence towards the cops. What horseshit.

There is more but it's 2:30am here and I'm drawing a blank right now. I had more notes but my mind went blank as I'm trying to watch t.v., type on this laptop and remember my thoughts to type here.....lol

This is definitely starting to sound fishy and I agree with y'alls point, that people will think these are nothing but drugged up bikers who decided to start shooting at everyone in sight over something minor. This stinks to me and not because I own a Harley and ride myself.

Cops shoot to kill in Texas. I'm sure they did most if not all the killing . The beef between the Cossacks and the Bandidos is legitimate though. The Cossacks have AB connections also including they're supremacist themselves. The Banditos will have to get control of that part of Texas since , Texas, is their home base .

Shit world star hasn't even got a camera video of this. Did this really happen Alex Jones and infowars need to get there asap. 9 dead no names. 137 bikers with guns and not 1 cop got a flesh wound something's fishy. Fox news was covering it a lot weird.

Some people in this thread need to grow a brain.

Newsflash: The bikers are the bad guys. Not the cops.

The cops should all get medals for putting down these thugs.

There's a lot of stigmatization against motorcycle owners. Obviously I can't speak for the situation in America, but I know how motorcycle owners are being looked upon in Europe. And while I understand where that fearsome reputation is coming from, people seem to forget that for every one-percenter MC there are tens of law-abiding hobby clubs around. I know quite a few older guys over here who ride (I would like to ride in the future myself) and are members of several small non-one percenter clubs. And while they all hold regular jobs and aren't involved in any criminal activities whatsoever there have been situations where they have been treated with less respect and more disdain than a "regular" civilian -if I can even call it that, because in my opinion the vast majority of motorcycle owners are just "regular civilians" as well- would have been. And if that's the case with members of small motorcycle clubs, you can imagine what people -and especially cops- must think of members of a one-percenter.

Just because someone owns a Harley, grows a beard and listens to Slayer, it doesn't mean he's moving dope and running hookers.

^ That's all fine and good but the stigmatization against law abiding motorcycle hobbyists doesn't change the fact that the guys in the shootout were criminals.

^ There's no denying that they indeed were criminals.

In my eyes the line between good and evil is blurred.

I've seen some bad cops. Seen some good thugs.

No matter what, both singed up to live the life by the gun. No good guy in this world does that? Do they?

Just because they are criminals doesn't mean they should have been opened fired on, They are police officers not Judges and Juries our country has a system for a reason, and im not saying the police were wrong their lives may have been in danger but its a hell of a lot less simple then they were criminals Fuck em

Agree 100%. A policeman isn't and shouldn't be a vigilante.

I agree, end of story.

So you're one of those guys huh?

All criminals deserve death sentences, no matter the crime!

If you are in an outlaw MC...beat a few people up and ran prostitutes...instant death penalty they deserve to die?

Sold drugs to drug addicts who wanted to buy drugs and would have from someone...deserve to die?

Let me guess, Freddie Gray deserved it too because he sold drugs?

#CriminalsMatter

Ivyleague thinks it is black and white because he is a PO , so obviously he is blinded and is going to side with cops.

There are plenty of cops that can be defined as criminals.

They aren't just "good guys" because they wear badges. And their actions should not be questioned. Ridiculous.

It is okay for cops to post outside a biker meeting and just open fire and murder them because they have a badge, according to officer Ivyleague.

Eppolotio and Caracappa were victims, innocent good guys.

Take a look at the people among those arrested. They arrested everyone, Veteran riders, Christ based, everyone. They will probably wait a long time for bond reduction hearings.

Jobs and businesses lost, lives and families ruined, let's not forget that by arresting everyone and charging them all like this they will attempt to seize all of those bikes and vehicles---$1-3 million at auction??

So you believe everything that has been said? Even you have to admit this sounds fishy. The cops are worried to death about a meeting but yet they don't post anyone inside? A fight spills into the parking lot and all of a sudden bikers go down by cop gun fire. I'm generally the last one to side with conspiracy theories but this one smells like pure shit from the cops side of things.

Obviously the cops weren't too worried about the innocent people inside Twin Peaks too much since they just sat in the parking lot the whole time. There was zero cop presence inside the place.

Of course he believes everything they said.

But I agree with your post.

the latest from texas is the cops say there were 7 biker gangs, they still haven't said how the nine got killed, the most ridiculous thing is this news release,

1000 weapons found in the restaurant. I can't believe that.

originally said 5, I'm sure there were at least that many, but this was a Coalition of Clubs meeting which includes everything from the hardcore 1% to faith based clubs, military clubs, etc. Nice to see they are now ALL called gangs by police and media.

First they said 100 weapons and as always what passed for a weapon included vest extenders and wallet chains. Last I heard was they knocked the weapon count down to 50 BUT...

They will search all the bikes and vehicles (which will certainly turn up some guns, probably a few assault rifles), and then issue a much larger "revised" report on the weapons. The media will blast it.

Also, as ALWAYS in these sensationalist cases, there has been no mention of how many of the weapons were actually brandished or used, or how many were even illegal. Imagine that.

Also, they say multiple bikers pointed their guns at police and fired. Where'd those bullets go?

No cops got hit, no mention of squad cars or anything getting hit, no mention of broken windows across the street. Disappearing bullets?

They also say they don't know how many cops fired their weapons. It's day 4 of a mass killing that involved SWAT, snipers and "deadly international biker gangs", and they don't know how many officers fired!?

total bs

wow, turns out they also arrested people (on bikes) who showed up after the whole thing was over and they are being given the same charges as everyone else and also being held on a $1,000,000 bond each. wtf

waitresses speak out about shooting

Waco video shows bikers running away as shooting starts
Surveillance footage shown to Associated Press by Twin Peaks company as it argues deadly violence started outside restaurant premises
A police deputy stands guard near a group of bikers in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, after the shootings.
A police deputy stands guard near a group of bikers in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, after the shootings. Photograph: Rod Aydelotte/AP
Associated Press in Waco
Thursday 21 May 2015 07.46 BST

When gunfire erupted outside a Texas restaurant most of the leather-clad motorcycle riders watching the confrontation immediately ran away from the shooting. A few tried to direct people inside, crawling on all fours heading for safety.

One biker ran away with blood on his face, hands and torso. A woman could be heard screaming, “Oh my God!” Others yelled, “Get down!”

According to restaurant security video shown to the Associated Press, only one of the dozens of bikers was seen firing a gun from the patio of the Twin Peaks restaurant where nine people were killed on Sunday.

Waco police in the aftermath rounded up about 170 people, charged them with felony engaging in organized criminal activity and setting bonds at $1m.

Police spokesman Sergeant W Patrick Swanton declined to comment about the video on Wednesday. Swanton has said the people arrested were members of biker gangs with criminal elements that have been monitored by local authorities for months.


Waco biker shootout: police say 320 weapons, not 1,000, found
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“They were not here to drink and eat barbecue,” Swanton said earlier in the week. “They came here with violence in mind.”

The video shows bikers on the restaurant patio ducking under tables and trying to get inside. At least three people were holding handguns.

Before the shooting, the inside of the restaurant appears to be mostly empty. Bikers and other patrons can be seen walking to the windows facing the parking lot, where most of the shooting happened, when the confrontation was apparently under way.

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When gunshots start at 12.24pm on the video most bikers, other patrons and staff immediately run away from the windows and into the restaurant’s interior. At least three people can be seen holding handguns.

One camera angle shows bikers running into the men’s bathroom. When there’s no space left in the bathroom they dash toward the kitchen.

The Associated Press was shown the video on Wednesday by representatives of the Twin Peaks franchise, who have said the fighting began outside the restaurant, not inside as police have said. The franchise has not released the video publicly, citing the ongoing investigation.

None of the nine video angles shows the parking lot.

Video shows police with assault rifles entering the door about two minutes after the shooting begins. As two officers enter, bikers can be seen lying on the floor with their hands spread.

Before the shooting at least 20 members of the Cossacks biker gang can be seen on the patio. Members of the Scimitars, Boozefighters and Leathernecks can also be seen on the tape. While no Bandidos are immediately visible, police and one member of that biker gang have said some of their members were at the event.

Among those arrested was Theron Rhoten, who showed up at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional motorcycle club meeting. But, according to his wife, he soon found himself in the middle of a deadly shootout involving scores of other bikers.

Katie Rhoten said her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with motorcycle-riding friends and other “non-violent, non-criminal people”.

Police have said that all those arrested were part of criminal motorcycle gangs. But based on court records and a search of their names in a database maintained by the Texas Department of Public Safety, only five of the nine people killed had criminal histories in Texas.

Police have acknowledged firing on armed bikers but has not yet been made clear how many of the dead were shot by gang members and how many were shot by officers.

Definitely one of the dumbest posts on this or any other forum.




You're already assuming there was no reason for the cops to fire on them. You act as if the rival bikers were just there for a party and it got crashed by bloodthirsty cops. Like I said, grow a brain.



One of those guys? You mean a guy who recognizes the cops in this case are the good ones and the outlaw bikers are the bad ones? Yes, I am one of those guys.

And you can stop with the fake drama. These bikers were obviously a threat and had to be put down. And bringing up Freddie Grey doesn't help your case. The guy was a career criminal and drug peddling lowlife. Neither his death, or those of the bikers, is any loss for society.



Holy hell, you don't have to be a PO (which I'm not anymore) to recognize the difference between good and bad. You just have to have some common sense and not automatically assume the worst about cops and the give the benefit of the doubt to outlaw bikers. But that's exactly what you and others in this thread have been doing. It's just sick and demented.

Ivy, your posts in this thread have been inflammatory and ignorant. You are being a troll.

have a nice day.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/1000-weapons-found-in-waco-restaurant-%e2%80%93-including-one-in-a-bag-of-tortilla-chips/ar-BBk1KOQ?ocid=ansguardian11

scorese this is where I got the 1000 weapon s found, the Waco cops put out this statement, I didn't make it up.

wha? i didn't say you made anything up.
I posted articles that gave some insight into what occurred inside the restaurant.

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From: Michael Jordan <>
Date: 2015-05-21 8:02 GMT-05:00
Subject: **REGION 3 EXTREMELY URGENT&IMPORTANT***
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***REGION 3, I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING EMAIL FROM REGION 10-RIO GRAND VALLEY SECRETARY. PLEASE READ AND PASS THE WORD TO FELLOW RIDERS, BE SAFE OUT THERE EVERYONE!!

Trip
Dustpans MC President&Founder
Region 3 Secretary&Treasurer
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Fw:Brothers and sisters of the COC, a bulletin issued to all state law
enforcement agencies by the FBI is as follows:
THIS IS STATE WIDE: In light of what happened in Waco, there is enough probable cause to warrant police to pull over any person wearing and patch and search for weapons, at this point any person wearing a patch of club insignia is considered a gang member, even if you hold a CHL you will still be arrested, so be safe out there and keep your eyes open.

COC Secretary Halo.

good articles you posted, I read them all. thank you.

looks like it is war on those who ride motorcycles. be hard being a biker today.