And PB while not my first post we did get off to a not so great start. While I'm fairly new to this forum I'm a member of and reader of enough forums to know not to pick a fight with the most respected poster and expect to stay around very long so I wanna back up and apologize.
But on the same token while I'm only 28 I do have a lot of life experience and I don't think any of my topics have been lacking in thoughtfulness nor have the been unreasonable so I did get offended a little but I am a big boy and know how to fit in so we are good.

I just think of my father 61 and while he has stories of being wild back in his day he grew up got married got a degree and provided well for his four kids. I just couldn't picture him ordering a degenerate gamblers legs broken or shaking down a business and he is one of the strongest willed, toughest and smartest people I know