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MCs shoot out in TX restaurant #842330
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http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html



Three rival motorcycle gangs turned a local restaurant into a shooting gallery Sunday afternoon and when the gunfire was over, nine people were dead and several were injured.

WACO: (May 17, 2015) Three rival motorcycle gangs turned a local restaurant into a shooting gallery Sunday afternoon and when the gunfire was over, nine people were dead and several were injured.

Waco police Sunday afternoon, assisted by Department of Public Safety troopers, police officers from several cities and deputies from the McLennan County Sheriff's Office were surrounding the Twin Peaks Restaurant, in the Central Texas Market Place after several people were reported shot during a rival motorcycle gang fight, Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

Police and troopers were in the parking lot trying to secure the area and protect citizens when a fight broke out inside the restaurant and spilled into the parking lot.

Swanton said the fight quickly escalated from fists and feet to chains, clubs and knives, then to gunfire.

Gang members were shooting at each other and officers at the scene fired their weapons, as well, Swanton said.

The scene at the Market Place between Don Carlos and Twin Peaks was absolute chaos, Swanton said.

The victims were taken by ambulance to Baylor Scott and White Hillcrest Medical Center, which later was placed on lock down, but officials at Hillcrest said they had no comment.

He also said police have been trying to work with management at Twin Peaks for several weeks but have been thwarted in their efforts to avoid a situation like happened Sunday afternoon.

A witness who was having lunch across the parking lot at Don Carlos Mexican Restaurant said he and his family had just finished eating and walked into the parking lot when they heard several gunshots and saw wounded being taken from the fight scene.

"We crouched down in front of our pick-up truck because that was the only cover we had," the man, who asked not to be identified, said.

He and his family were travelling to Selina, Kansas and decided to stop for lunch.

He said he saw several wounded men being treated.

He also said there were several police officers at the scene and ambulances were responding to the scene to aid those hit by gunfire.

At about 2 p.m. a second crime scene was being investigated at the Waco Convention Center but only very few details were known about the situation there.

One law enforcement spokesman said there were several armed officers and EMS units on the scene and Washington Avenue and University Parks Drive in that area had been closed.

A News 10 photographer who was at the convention center said he witnessed several men being arrested there.

Officers also were en route to the Flying J Truck Stop, at New Road and Interstate 35 because a large number of bikers had been seen gathering there.

Swanton said the scene at Twin Peaks is "as secure as it can be right now," Swanton said, but police are concerned that groups who were involved in the first incident may be moving to other locations in and around Waco where more violence could erupt.

Swanton said citizens should avoid the area until an all clear can be issued.

The Interstate 35 exit onto Loop 340 southbound is closed, as is the access road that runs alongside the Interstate.

"We have multiple medical and law enforcement resources in the area who are dealing with the issue," Swanton said.

Ambulances from West, Limestone and Coryell counties were at the scene to assist local EMS units.

Trouble at Twin Peaks among rival bikers had been brewing for some time, District Attorney Abel Reyna told News 10 about two weeks ago.

Reyna said local police were on heightened alert in anticipation of trouble on Thursday nights, when Twin Peaks hosts a Biker Night.

Reyna said some weeks ago trouble erupted between two local motorcycle gangs and that spilled over into gangs from the Dallas-Fort Worth area showing up to support the local groups

Re: MCs shoot out in TX restaurant [Re: getthesenets] #842336
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which gangs were involved?

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I got family from Waco. That's some crazy stuff though 9 people dead. Wonder why this was over.


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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
which gangs were involved?


Bandidos, Cossacks and Scimitars....according to ny daily news

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and look how much heat this draws now. world wide coverage. that's crazy. spotlight totally on them.


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Re: MCs shoot out in TX restaurant [Re: Primo] #842361
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well, there is finally an honest to goodness big time deadly biker shootout in the states.

Except in the end i bet most of them were killed by cops. Why? Not because bikers aren't willing to kill each other sometimes, because they usually miss in these situations.

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Bikers sell.

They'll be using this for years to go after club patches like how they have spent millions trying to get the Mongols'. IF they get the Mongols, they will go after all the other club cuts too.

I raise my eyebrows at that. If I believe everything bad the feds say about motorcycle gangs/clubs in the states--all a bunch of psycho drug dealing killers---the mafia on wheels...

Except---if they wear patches telling the world who they are, even giving their position within the club; isn't that a giant wet dream come true for law enforcement?

Think of the time and money they could have saved if Gotti and those guys wore "mafia" patches on their backs, along with "Capo" or whatever?

The biker "gangs" actually do that, and the feds are out to take it away---how can that possibly make any sense at all? If you are in law enforcement would you not think it is the best thing ever that they identify themselves?

My own opinion is that if they get rid of the patches they will be able to pull over any motorcyclist anywhere for any reason based on "gang suspicion". Just another tool to harass Americans.

Bikers going to prison in Texas, either way.

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^^^

this has been bugging most crime buffs for ever

truth is: bikers are just not that bright and don't really give a crap

otherwise they wouldn't be bikers to begin with

they were not formed as some elusive secret society like many other crime syndicates.

they saw the light of day during post-WW2 and post-Vietnam years, when traumatized veterans didn't feel appreciated nor accepted by the very same society they lost their sanity for and formed these "clubs" out of brotherhood for one and other

if they wanted to create some sort of non-Italian/non-Irish caucasian mob, they should have just gone into business wearing the same clothes any white midwestern american wore in order to blend in and making it harder for the law, but, as stated above, crime/organized crime never was their main goal...and many argue that it's still not a priority today

it sure comes third right behind brawls and beer

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The police responded quickly to this MC gang fight and put a stop to it. I don't know how it can be compared to Ferguson or Baltimore were cops were told to stand down.but, somehow it has:

"The deadly gun battle among several factions of biker gangs in Waco, Texas has social media users questioning the civility of its police intervention in the wake of Baltimore and Ferguson’s uprisings.

“They’ve recovered at least 100 weapons,” Deray McKesson, a high-profile activist wrote on Twitter. “The (National) Guard would be mobilized now if, black.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ou...ticle-1.2225969

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bigger gun fight than the o.k. corral

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you know that a newspaper is shit when they create an article out of some nobody's biased tweets

pathetic

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Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
The police responded quickly to this MC gang fight and put a stop to it. I don't know how it can be compared to Ferguson or Baltimore were cops were told to stand down.but, somehow it has:

"The deadly gun battle among several factions of biker gangs in Waco, Texas has social media users questioning the civility of its police intervention in the wake of Baltimore and Ferguson’s uprisings.

“They’ve recovered at least 100 weapons,” Deray McKesson, a high-profile activist wrote on Twitter. “The (National) Guard would be mobilized now if, black.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ou...ticle-1.2225969



what the fuck? These guys are having a shoot out in a restaurant and people are wondering about the civility of the police response...

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Those comparisons imho are just typical divide and conquer crap from the left.

No comparison at all, and this event itself is an isolated, unprecedented one in the US.

It was a Confederation of Clubs meeting, which are common all over the country. Typically non violent events.

Possible SWAT panicked and just mowed everyone down...

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these biker gangs dont't care where they get in a gun battle, its lucky no innocent bystanders were shot.

the hell's angels and the mongols shot it out in las vegas one year right inside the casino

these biker battles never end. you watch the bandidos and the Cossacks get into it again.



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Originally Posted By: getthesenets
Originally Posted By: Scorsese
which gangs were involved?


Bandidos, Cossacks and Scimitars....according to ny daily news


wow..a gang named for the word used to describe Sollozo's nose!!!

who knew? wink

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i don't agree that this type of incident is unprecedented in the US. this just happens to be the worst in recent memory,but i can recall several,namely Laughlin nv or back in the 70's the july 4th massacre of 5 OMC by the HA's in Charlotte. but i do think it's possible that this was provoked by law enforcement,since some undercover agents,or informants are sometimes behind these violent flare-ups.

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update from local Waco area newspaper 5/18/15

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/police/bike...8a05b224da.html


The more than 170 members of biker gangs that Waco law enforcement officials say were involved in a deadly biker gang shootout Sunday at Twin Peaks won’t be going anywhere soon.

Justice of the Peace W.H. “Pete” Peterson set bonds for 174 gang members charged with engaging in organized criminal activity at $1 million each.

“I think it is important to send a message,” Peterson said. “We had nine people killed in our community. These people just came in and most of them were from out of town. Very few of them were from in town.”

Meanwhile, a lawyer for Jimmy Don Smith, 59, of Caldwell, moved quickly Monday in getting a bond-reduction hearing set. Dan Jones, a Bryan lawyer, was in Judge Ralph Strother’s 19th State District Court Monday to request the hearing for Smith, a mechanic with Novosad Enterprises of Caldwell. Strother set the hearing for June 5.

Peterson declined to release the identities of the nine men killed Sunday because he said only one man’s family has been notified that he knows of so far.

He said all but two of those killed were not from the Waco area, but declined to say where they were from.

Even if the men bond out of jail, they likely won’t be riding their motorcycles home. The motorcycles were confiscated as part of the massive law enforcement investigation and sources say they likely will be seized and forfeited by McLennan County through civil forfeiture procedures and sold at auction.

In affidavits to support the arrests of the bikers issued by Peterson on Monday morning, Waco police officer Manuel Chavez officially identifies the groups as “members and associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club and the Bandidos Motorcycle Club.”

While Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton declined to identify the opposing groups Sunday, he said at least five motorcycle gangs were involved in the altercation.

“The members and associates of the Cossacks and Bandidos were wearing common identifying distinctive signs or symbols and/or had an identifiable leadership and/or continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities,” the affidavit says. “The Texas Department of Public Safety maintains a database containing information identifying the Cossacks and their associates as a criminal street gang and the Bandidos and their associates as a criminal street gang.”

After the shootout, firearms, knives or “other unknown edged weapons,” batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons were recovered from members and associates of both gangs, the complaint alleges.

Other weapons also were found on their motorcycles.

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Dear Police/ATF...

How many of the killed and wounded were shot by swat/leo's?

How many leo's fired their weapons?

How many did not?

How many bikers fired a gun?

Any surveillance footage, from businesses or yourselves since this meeting was hardly a secret and you were there in force ahead of time?

How many rounds total were fired by leo's?

All basic questions nowhere to be found in the papers/news outlets.

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if I read it right, it now sounds like the cops are taking back their ridiculous statement that the clubs are sending armed bikers to Waco and have ordered green lights on anyone in a uniform. Shocking.

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Well I'm from Houston so the only encounters I've had are with Banditos . From what I know Texas has been ran by them for a while. Waco is a crazy violent city that's lack of better words country ghetto. A lot of Racism and Guns lol.
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Well the accusation is not fully proven. These gangs have been wanting to take control of their local areas over the Banditos.

It's probal going to get violent in some areas. Not like war zone but some local biker hotspots on outskirt territories won't be to safe.

I swear to you by whatever God you believe in . I've seen a Bandito Prospect that looked almost exactly like the prospect off SoA (S1) . It was at a Wal Mart gas station he bought 12 cartons of cigarettes lol prospect named bucket. Only funny encounter but you see them everywhere in Texas.

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this shit sounds braindead

nobody decided it was time to run before the police got there

all the leaders should be stripped of the managerial duties

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Originally Posted By: alicecooper
Dear Police/ATF...

How many of the killed and wounded were shot by swat/leo's?

How many leo's fired their weapons?

How many did not?

How many bikers fired a gun?

Any surveillance footage, from businesses or yourselves since this meeting was hardly a secret and you were there in force ahead of time?

How many rounds total were fired by leo's?

All basic questions nowhere to be found in the papers/news outlets.



Very perceptive. I've been looking for that myself since the beginning. I'm not an alarmist or conspiracy theorist but something isn't being told to us for whatever reason.


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Originally Posted By: alicecooper
Dear Police/ATF...

How many of the killed and wounded were shot by swat/leo's?

How many leo's fired their weapons?

How many did not?

How many bikers fired a gun?

Any surveillance footage, from businesses or yourselves since this meeting was hardly a secret and you were there in force ahead of time?

How many rounds total were fired by leo's?

All basic questions nowhere to be found in the papers/news outlets.


Well said because one news station made it sound like some of the bikers were shot by gunfire with cops.

And Chicken you are right about the Bandidos. They are becoming one of the biggest m/c's out there.

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Sounding like a LOT of surveillance footage will need to be "lost".

What I found from someone local and imho "in the know"...

Another Texas club put a 'Texas" bottom rocker on their vests without going through the proper channels, which is an insult to all the other clubs in the Coalition of Clubs.

Two of the members of the "new" Texas patch were stabbed outside the restaurant and SWAT turned it into a shooting gallery. ALL 9 DEAD AT THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Safe to assume many of the injured were also gunshot victims of law enforcement.

Also, when they list the weapons some news outlets have used a very strange wording that does not exactly say guns were taken off the bikers.

And the "chains" as weapons were vest extenders and wallet chains. Get real.


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Originally Posted By: alicecooper
Sounding like a LOT of surveillance footage will need to be "lost".

What I found from someone local and imho "in the know"...

Another Texas club put a 'Texas" bottom rocker on their vests without going through the proper channels, which is an insult to all the other clubs in the Coalition of Clubs.

Two of the members of the "new" Texas patch were stabbed outside the restaurant and SWAT turned it into a shooting gallery. ALL 9 DEAD AT THE HANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Safe to assume many of the injured were also gunshot victims of law enforcement.

Also, when they list the weapons some news outlets have used a very strange wording that does not exactly say guns were taken off the bikers.

And the "chains" as weapons were vest extenders and wallet chains. Get real.



That sounds very plausible. I'm not from Texas but two of those clubs I never heard of, and most here could probably guess which two it was.

And the chains comment is dead on, do they honestly think we believe they were carrying chains into Twin Peaks?

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Also, does anyone else find it weird that law enforcement made a point out of NOT naming the clubs?

Even after they made the bullshit claim that the bike clubs had members descending on the city armed and under orders to "green light" (MURDER) anyone in a uniform...they still wouldn't name the clubs.

IF there are a bunch of maniac biker gangs out there killing each other and trying to kill cops is it not irresponsible/criminal of the police not to list the "gangs"? They can easily be identified by their patches.

They are literally saying, "there are these maniacs around Texas, they wear patches identifying themselves, they just killed a bunch of themselves, and now have back-ups coming into the city to kill anyone in a uniform...but we're not telling you who they are."

The above is exactly what happened/is happening and that in and of itself seems like a criminal act on the part of the police.

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Lol!

but seriously,i think you guys are onto something. in the press conference,the police said "off duty" cops were already on the scene,and started shooting at the bikers as soon as the scuffle broke out. that does sound suspect. If all 9 were killed by cops then that's a tragedy.

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AC I think you are going to be EXTREMELY disappointed when you find out what really went down at that restaurant if you do ever learn the truth.

My best guess is that the cops didn't give a shit about these bikers, the more they can shoot the better. Now they just have to write a squeaky clean report, hope any video footage shows the bikers firing first and they will get away with murder.

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