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Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Extortion] #842098
05/15/15 10:27 AM
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In manhattan mafia guide it also says galante was a consigliere at some point which i don't believe is true...I don't think consigliere would ever fit someone like galante to begin with however bonanno wanted his son as consigliere or at least his loyalists did...

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: ht2] #842101
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Originally Posted By: ht2
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Ive got one.Philip Carlo said the famous Manganos Democratic club was on union st betwen 4th and 5th ave in Brooklyn,but i found somewhere that it wasnt really on union st but a diffrent location.
Does somebody knows where it really was?



Nearby at 367 Clinton st. in Brooklyn.


Oh,if you dont mind telling me how did you stamble on that info im curious.Thanks


I've seen it in a couple of sources. In the 6th paragraph of the following article you can find the address:

http://www.transportworkers.org/node/1618

This may be hard to read but it's also in this article:

http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%205/B...%20-%203209.pdf


Yes it does say that,but look up google maps it's a residental building.Hard to belive it was a club.Carlo's address seems more likely.

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: alexandarns] #842102
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Originally Posted By: alexandarns
Yes it does say that,but look up google maps it's a residental building.Hard to belive it was a club.Carlo's address seems more likely.


Newspaper articles from the 1940's and reliable authors say Clinton street. All the reporters from the same time period can't be wrong. I kind of see your point but I don't see why a brownstone couldn't be used.

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Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: ht2] #842105
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Originally Posted By: ht2
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Yes it does say that,but look up google maps it's a residental building.Hard to belive it was a club.Carlo's address seems more likely.


Newspaper articles from the 1940's and reliable authors say Clinton street. You can't use google maps to see what things looked like 80 years ago. Maybe it wasn't a commercial building.


Yes you are right,it does say Mangano owned that building.The tenament building on that address was built early 20th century,because of that information i thought the club was not there,but whos to say it wasnt on the first floor of the residental building.
Great reaserch ht2.

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Extortion] #842107
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Maybe someone like hairyk or faithful1 can confirm but that's most likely where it was located. There's also the possibility it later moved to the location mentioned in Carlo's book.

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Extortion] #842115
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The City Democratic Club was indeed located at 367 Clinton Street. It´s possible I guess that it was later moved to another location but Carlo´s books are riddled with factual errors, so perhaps we shouldn´t count on that it moved to the place he said.

There were several Democratic Clubs in Brooklyn I think but the one we are discussing here was formed in 1929 and functioned as meeting place for the top guys within the six ILA locals and some of Brooklyn´s most prominent Mafia guys (among them Vincent Mangano, John Giustra, Profaci, Anastasia, Joe Adonis and others). The Club was also a channel for controlling political life in several Brooklyn districts.

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Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: HairyKnuckles] #842122
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Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
The City Democratic Club was indeed located at 367 Clinton Street. It´s possible I guess that it was later moved to another location but Carlo´s books are riddled with factual errors, so perhaps we shouldn´t count on that it moved to the place he said.

There were several Democratic Clubs in Brooklyn I think but the one we are discussing here was formed in 1929 and functioned as meeting place for the top guys within the six ILA locals and some of Brooklyn´s most prominent Mafia guys (among them Vincent Mangano, John Giustra, Profaci, Anastasia, Joe Adonis and others). The Club was also a channel for controlling political life in several Brooklyn districts.


Yes that is the one we are talking about,thanks HK great info as always.I offten wonder where was the epicenter of mafia activity in Brooklyn back in those days,guess it was near the waterfront.What do you guys think?

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Extortion] #842124
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I don't think we can say there was a single center of Mafia activities in Brooklyn then since all five Families had a presence there, especially Profaci, Mangano and Bonanno. If you go back far enough the center was in South Brooklyn.

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Faithful1] #842125
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Originally Posted By: Faithful1
I don't think we can say there was a single center of Mafia activities in Brooklyn then since all five Families had a presence there, especially Profaci, Mangano and Bonanno. If you go back far enough the center was in South Brooklyn.


Yes thats what I was thinking of,guess later we would have to say Bensonhurst and Bath beach.

Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Extortion] #842153
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Getting back to the JFK assassination, I found this video published last year on YouTube. It's from a program at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas and was recorded in 2013. It's an interview of the first family to have been interviewed following the assassination, reunited 50 years later. It shows them being questioned by the curator in 2013 and by an interviewer in 1963. It was shown on CSPAN. So it's a legitimate source. What's interesting is that they all say they heard the shots coming from the grassy hill area, and they said this just after the shooting and still say it today, so I find them very credible. [Edit: I wrote the above before watching all of the video; when asked directly they say either Oswald did it alone or Oswald did it and so did someone else. The thing that the father is consistent about is that he thought the bullets came from behind, but isn't more specific than that.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxeE1GXSCT8

I also viewed a couple videos of former FBI agents who were there, including Zach Shelton, who was later in Chicago and was mentioned in Frank Calabrese Jr.'s book. He shows how evidence was tampered with. So does former agent Don Adams. However, Adams' theory is that a guy connected to an ex-Klansman did it.

So at this point my leaning is a little less toward the "Oswald did it" theory.

Wish I could get Nicoletti's file, since that could possibly help, but it's hard to say. I have Cain's file and it doesn't even start until 1968. And yes, Cain was made and he was a CI to Roemer. Cain also lied in claiming he was full Italian; he was only Italian on his mother's side, but he fooled Roemer and others, telling him that he was born in Italy. Vital records and the book by his brother prove that he wasn't.

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Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Extortion] #842164
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What sources state that he was made? Not disagreeing but I am just interested to see.


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Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Snakes] #842169
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I think that Cain was brought in by Pat Marcy during the early 1950's and the FBI considered him as a made member. He was also direct with Giancana,Marcy and another guy from the Capone era and member of the First Ward, Buddy Jacobson.


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Re: Inaccuracies in Organized Crime Books [Re: Snakes] #842209
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Originally Posted By: Snakes
What sources state that he was made? Not disagreeing but I am just interested to see.


It says in his file that he was made and sponsored by Giancana.

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