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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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04/28/15 06:44 PM
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McGurn was not one of the Valentine's Day massacre shooters. He was holed up with his "blond alibi" in a hotel room, constantly ordering stuff from room service, before, during and after the shooting to establish an airtight alibi. The shooters were Fred "Killer" Burke, James Ray, Joseph Lolordo, Albert Anselmi and John Scalise.
Capone didn't initiate the massacre--McGurn did. He was seeking revenge on Bugs Moran because two of his gunsels, the Gusenberg brothers, trapped McGurn in a phone booth and shot him up, nearly killing him. Capone fronted him some money to set up the massacre. The vast, nationwide revulsion that the massacre caused brought a lot of heat down on Capone. To get out of the heat, he had himself arrested in Philadelphia and spent a year in prison. McGurn quickly lost favor because of that.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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04/30/15 12:30 AM
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McGurn was not one of the Valentine's Day massacre shooters. He was holed up with his "blond alibi" in a hotel room, constantly ordering stuff from room service, before, during and after the shooting to establish an airtight alibi. The shooters were Fred "Killer" Burke, James Ray, Joseph Lolordo, Albert Anselmi and John Scalise.
Capone didn't initiate the massacre--McGurn did. He was seeking revenge on Bugs Moran because two of his gunsels, the Gusenberg brothers, trapped McGurn in a phone booth and shot him up, nearly killing him. Capone fronted him some money to set up the massacre. The vast, nationwide revulsion that the massacre caused brought a lot of heat down on Capone. To get out of the heat, he had himself arrested in Philadelphia and spent a year in prison. McGurn quickly lost favor because of that. A much more trustworthy explanation than the usual crap that McGurn "fell out of favour due to heavy drinking and that his "hit-skills" wasnt needed anymore in the 30s." Eeh, the Outfit was more vicious than ever at this point. Very interesting and not in so very many books.
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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McGurn was not one of the Valentine's Day massacre shooters. He was holed up with his "blond alibi" in a hotel room, constantly ordering stuff from room service, before, during and after the shooting to establish an airtight alibi. The shooters were Fred "Killer" Burke, James Ray, Joseph Lolordo, Albert Anselmi and John Scalise.
Capone didn't initiate the massacre--McGurn did. He was seeking revenge on Bugs Moran because two of his gunsels, the Gusenberg brothers, trapped McGurn in a phone booth and shot him up, nearly killing him. Capone fronted him some money to set up the massacre. The vast, nationwide revulsion that the massacre caused brought a lot of heat down on Capone. To get out of the heat, he had himself arrested in Philadelphia and spent a year in prison. McGurn quickly lost favor because of that. A much more trustworthy explanation than the usual crap that McGurn "fell out of favour due to heavy drinking and that his "hit-skills" wasnt needed anymore in the 30s." Eeh, the Outfit was more vicious than ever at this point. Very interesting and not in so very many books. He was also a drug abuser and because of his addictions he lost his skills. He also lost a lot of his fortune, stopped generating profit and started peddling drugs on the streets so in 1933 McGurn was demoted. Later after the murder, Paul Ricca allegedly once said “High and dry,that’s why we left him…sellin’ junk to the moolies”.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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05/01/15 01:18 AM
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The St.Valentines Massacre was organized by the Circus Cafe gang. This wasnt an ordinary gang like the 42's but it was mixed gang formed by outsiders from different nationalities, so it was difficult to know who was who at the time thus making them the prefect guys for the job. The cafe was owned by an outsider and former gang member of a St.Louis gang, Claudie Maddox.So the Circus gang had like two factions,one faction from Chicago or the Capone gang(Tony Capezio,Jack McGurn,Accardo) and the other one formed by hitmen from out of town,for example, St.Louis,Detriot or Kansas.
For me there was two possible hit teams: One was the St.Louis hit team with Fred Burke,Fred Goetz,Gus Winkler and James Ray or Burke together with Detriot gangsters Harry Keywell, Phil Keywell, George F Lewis and Eddie Fletcher.
Peter Von Frantzius was one of Chicago’s most famous guns suppliers,provided the guns which later were found in Fred Burke's possession
Lookout men formed by Jimmy "The Swede" Moran,Byron Bolton(the cops found medicine bottle across the street ina lookout room that belonged to Bolton who later snitched on the gang but no one listened),Tony Accardo and maybe Ross Prio
The only evidence that implicated the gang in the shooting was when a week later a 1927 Cadillac sedan was found disassembled and partially burned in a garage on Wood Street.It was determined that this was the car that had been used by the killers in the massacre. The garage was located two blocks from the Circus Cafe.Later investigators found out that “Tough” Tony Capezio, had been badly burned in a fire.It has been suggested that Capezio had been cutting up the car that was used in the hit and to get rid of evidence he had accidentally started the fire by using the acetylene torch too close to a can of gasoline. Capezio was burned and ran to a North Avenue clinic, then ran back out when he realized that someone who had heard the blast would be calling the cops.This stunt earned him the nickname “Tough Tony.” Also St.Louis gangster Raymond “Shocker” Schulte was seen together with Tony Capezio after the blast.
And ofcourse with out police protection, the killers wouldnt succeed. The cops also had their own reasons to be angry at the Moran gang because of the murder of a police captains son the occured before the massacre.
After the massacre the Circus gang vanished.Many of the so-called members got absorbed by the Capone mob or fled town.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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Peter Von Frantzius was one of Chicago’s most famous guns suppliers,provided the guns which later were found in Fred Burke's possession
He sold Thompson submachine guns legally at that time. But, one of the consequences of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre was passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934, which outlawed private ownership of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns. The Thompson was developed during WWI as a "trench broom"--a soldier, if he made it across "no man's land" to the enemy trench, could stand at the end of the trench and "sweep" the enemy with fire, instead of jumping into the trench and fighting one on one with bayonet, rifle butt or fists. But, the armistice was signed before a single Tommy gun got overseas. And, there was scant interest in it by armed forces or law enforcement agencies. So, Auto Ordnance took to selling them to private individuals. One of the most famous magazine ads of the Twenties shows a Western rancher, in big hat and chaps, using a Tommy gun hold off a band of mounted, masked rustlers.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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05/13/15 04:54 PM
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I'm not sure if your effort outweighs peoples interest....just being honest, dont want you wasting your time too much Gee, let me think. I have over a million views and nearly 5,000 subscribers to my YouTube Channel. Are you speaking for everyone or just yourself?
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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06/03/15 02:26 AM
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While some of facts in the videos are debatable, B&B does a very professional job in assembling them, almost as good as a PBS documentary. Yes, he's that good. He's also got a great voice for narration. If he ever decided to put out an instructional video on how to make documentaries I would recommend that everyone watch it. Thank you my friend. As to the "debatable" stuff, you are correct. I recently read Al D'Arco's and Gaspipe Casso book. It appears that these guys, who were in the same family, cannot agree on the so-called facts.
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Re: Mobster - "Machine Gun" Jack McGurn
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I'm not sure if your effort outweighs peoples interest....just being honest, dont want you wasting your time too much Gee, let me think. I have over a million views and nearly 5,000 subscribers to my YouTube Channel. Are you speaking for everyone or just yourself? What makes such a response asinine is that it's posted by a member on a forum dedicated to stuff like this. As for me, I'm always up to watch some enjoyable Youtube videos on old-time gangsters from my lazy chair at home.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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