also not that it means anything PB but i think that PJ guy lives in jersey and just has or had a stake in that gym on the upper east side.

have you seen the cosanostranews articles about the supposed bonanno mole/snitch? some pretty serious allegations there

when you say queens bonannos where (or better yet who) are you talking about? middle village? howard beach? i wonder if they had more than 1 crew out in howard beach. i always thought staten island was their real power base.

also not that it means anything PB but i think that PJ guy lives in jersey and just has or had a stake in that gym on the upper east side. place hasnt looked like its been doing well since the subway construction started. i heard crunch is buying up a lot of smaller gyms now too

There are a bunch of Synergys around. The one uptown near second ave closed a while ago. But I know the one on 14th and 3rd only opened maybe two years ago, so they must be doing something right (like fucking people over).

Also see NYSC sports club expanding. I know they have been building one on A down near 6th or so for the last couple of years. I guess if yours can charge $100 a month and people still come, you might as well keep opening them up.

My money is on Queens, Vito Grimaldi. I don't think the Jersey faction can be on par with Brooklyn and Queens at this point. My two cents.

From what I can tell, while I would put the Luccheses ahead of the Colombos and Bonannos, they are still closer to those two families than they are to the Genovese or the Gambinos. Of course, any of the three smaller NY families are still a much bigger operation than any family remaining outside NY. You can't compare Philadelphia to even the weakest NY family. To put it in perspective, you could take all the remaining LCN members outside the Northeast and it would equal the size of the smallest NY family.

The Gambinos are a strong #2 and still rival the Genovese in terms of size. But what really makes the Genovese the top family in the country, besides being one of the two largest families and their obvious emphasis on discipline and secrecy, is the fact they control the largest bookmaking and loansharking rings in the NY metropolitan area and have the most labor union clout and involvement in legitimate industries remaining.

Funny how the Genovese are traditionally considered the strongest and largest crime family, yet if you had to name capos or soldiers it would take longer to come up with a list of names than it would their peers.

My money is on Queens, Vito Grimaldi. I don't think the Jersey faction can be on par with Brooklyn and Queens at this point. My two cents.

And you think the former statement is mutually exclusive of the latter?

That secrecy is one of the main reasons that they lead the pack. There are at least half-a-dozen made guys in that family (and I'm talking about in the Bronx/Westchester faction alone) whose names are yet to appear on an official government chart. You're not gonna find it on Google, either .

The Feds must at least know who they are, maybe they don't know they are made. I mean, its 2015. They must, right? Just spitballing here.

Of course, and they're probably listed as associates. But I've never seen their names show up as made guys on any of the official charts. And two of them have been made since the early 2000's.

For anyone familiar with Fairfield County, the Big D is the best fast food burger around.

Sorry, Tommy, offtopic. But when I get a chance to talk about Duchess (the best fucking fast food in America), I take it.

Please tell me someone knows what I'm talking about.

Honest question, when is the last time the Gov't made a new chart? I remember they made one for the 2007 Lucchese bust, I think. They made some kind of chart, anyway.

Duly noted, and a fair point. But there are always lots of charts floating around these sites that turn out to be incorrect. One of them had Dean DePreta listed as a made guy a few years ago. I told the chart maker that he wasn't, and I was just scoffed off.

Fast forward a few years, when Dean was indicted as an associate and said chart maker altered the chart. But he never got around to admitting that I was right. Cheech can attest to this.

Duly noted, and a fair point. But there are always lots of charts floating around these sites that turn out to be incorrect. One of them had Dean DePreta listed as a made guy a few years ago. I told the chart maker that he wasn't, and I was just scoffed off.

Fast forward a few years, when Dean was indicted as an associate and said chart maker altered the chart. But he never got around to admitting that I was right. Cheech can attest to this.

Joey Dee will die in his bed, lucky guy.

Duly noted, and a fair point. But there are always lots of charts floating around these sites that turn out to be incorrect. One of them had Dean DePreta listed as a made guy a few years ago. I told the chart maker that he wasn't, and I was just scoffed at.

Fast forward a few years, when Dean was indicted as an associate, and said chart maker had to alter the chart. But he never got around to admitting that I was right. Cheech can attest to this.