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Is the position of consigliere still useful?
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04/22/15 04:43 PM
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Question:
In this day and age, do the big families still have the role of consiglieri?
What use does a consiglieri have in these interesting times?
Last edited by ItalianForever; 04/22/15 07:33 PM.
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Re: Is the position of consiglieri still useful?
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04/22/15 06:53 PM
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Nowadays it seems reserved for old timers in semi-retirement. Maybe get a small source of income in your twilight years.
Back in the day these guys were rarely impartial, often pretty heavy guys that had their own crews.
Should probably ask Mr. Kierney. I guess if you're Italian, you should be in prison. I've read the RICO Act, and I can tell you it's more appropriate... for some of those guys over in Washington than it is for me or any of my fellas here
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Re: Is the position of consiglieri still useful?
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04/23/15 10:55 AM
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Nowadays it seems reserved for old timers in semi-retirement. Maybe get a small source of income in your twilight years.
Back in the day these guys were rarely impartial, often pretty heavy guys that had their own crews. I think you have it backwards. The traditional idea of the consigliere was an older, semi-retired guy who has largely independent of the boss and weighed in on major matters, looking out for the interests of all family members, etc. In more recent times the consigliere has often been tight with whoever is running the family and still very much involved in the rackets, even running their own crews and operations.
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Re: Is the position of consiglieri still useful?
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Nowadays it seems reserved for old timers in semi-retirement. Maybe get a small source of income in your twilight years.
Back in the day these guys were rarely impartial, often pretty heavy guys that had their own crews. I think you have it backwards. The traditional idea of the consigliere was an older, semi-retired guy who has largely independent of the boss and weighed in on major matters, looking out for the interests of all family members, etc. In more recent times the consigliere has often been tight with whoever is running the family and still very much involved in the rackets, even running their own crews and operations. Seems that's the way Ricca and Accardo functioned. I know you guys don't like to get in on these Chicago posts, but I do believe this is a good example.
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Re: Is the position of consiglieri still useful?
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It depends on the size of the family. The Five Families still each need a consigliere. But if you're an unviable family that's down to, say, ten members, do you really need three of them in an administration?
Everything's relative to size, especially where power is concerned. If you're a unviable family of 10-20 made men there are no need of boss,capos ecc especially if the soldiers are old I think that they try to to make more money as possible with the least danger, perhaps regretting the old days.
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Re: Is the position of consiglieri still useful?
[Re: IvyLeague]
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04/25/15 08:19 PM
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I think you have it backwards.
The traditional idea of the consigliere was an older, semi-retired guy who has largely independent of the boss and weighed in on major matters, looking out for the interests of all family members, etc.
In more recent times the consigliere has often been tight with whoever is running the family and still very much involved in the rackets, even running their own crews and operations.
There's some other great replies, but I am always in awe of the Latter Day George Anastasia/Jerry Capeci (whoever you prefer more Ivy). To incorporate a military chain of command, I've been under the impression that the Consigliere was a fully active Wiseguy, crew and everything, however with the distinction that he was the man seen to meddle disputes and the one to speak to first before asking the Boss or UB for anything. A procedural thing, and to ensure the Boss is not wasting time dealing with seemingly petty issues, whatever they may. I assume different Families have differing responsibilities of it is the Consigliere does, and I know it's among some Families that the Consiglier is often the one to succeed the Boss, this I imagine having a lot to do with experience handling the day to day, HR type stuff of the Family.
"The Feds are a business Anthony, millions of tax dollars are invested in watching your ass, sooner or later, just like you, their gonna want a return on their investment." --- Neil Mink, Tony Soprano's lawyer
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