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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #797329
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By the way, while watching II I swear the opening scene in its theatrical release was the reception scene and not the Sicily scene. Am I mis-remembering?


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I though I was getting forgetful! It was the funeral in sicily. It segues into Anthony's first communion.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
I watched II today. I noticed that in the final scene where Michael is sitting alone outside at his compound he is wearing a wedding ring.


That doesn't surprise me, and I actually find it quite in character for Michael. All of his hopes and dreams for the Corleone family - that fruitless quest for legitimacy - were all tied up in Kay and her WASPishness. She brought him that genuine Ivy League, descendant of the Mayflower quality that he so badly wanted for the Corleone Family. I can see him desperately clinging to that dream.


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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #806126
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Michael's bodyguard shows up at Roth's hotel room in order to kill him. He first must dispose of Ola whom he dispatches with a coat hanger. He didn't use a gun or knife. Why not? Of course, a gun makes noise and attracts attention. Perhaps it was a challenge to get a gun in Cuba or to acquire one after arriving there and also to acquire a silencer. So, why not a knife? One of those is easy enough to obtain.

Also, what about Ola's body? Why didn't Roth's entourage find it? Why didn't they notice him missing?

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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #826215
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So, why did Ola tell Michael that Roth would go along with his moving Klingman out? Doing so would result in a Corleone takeover of the Tropigala. So, Roth was okay with that? Did Roth speak for the Lakeville Road mob?


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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: olivant] #826228
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Ola was stringing Michael along--making him feel "relaxed..confident in the deal" (as Michael later said to Pentangeli). According to Roth's Plan A, Michael would have been dead that very night, making the Tropigala takeover a moot point.


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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #837298
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I'm watching GFII this weekend. Michael's son celebrates his communion in Tahoe. Michael leaves Tahoe and goes to meet Ross in Florida. He then leaves Florida and goes to New York to meet with Pentangeli. When he gets there, there's a considerable amount of snow on the ground and everyone is bundled up.

Now, communion's take place around Easter which can take place as early as late March (mine was in May). Of course, snowfalls in New York can take place in March and April (maybe even in May).

I'm wondering if FFC produced the New York snowfall or if nature did and FFC simply adjusted to it.


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It was one of those directorial license anomalies that we've discussed many times:

FFC had to put Michael in Havana on New Year's Eve, in order to provide the historical authenticity of Batista abdicating and Castro taking over. Since events had to move fast because his and his families' lives were threatened, FFC had to move Anthony's First Communion to mid- or late-December, then have him leave Tahoe immediately after the shooting--to Miami, to New York (hence the snow) then to Havana. Perhaps he got a dispensation from the Church to move Anthony's communion to December.

And, while he was at it, he must have gotten another dispensation on Tahoe weather--daily highs are around 40 in mid-December, lows about 18. But nobody's wearing cold weather gear at Anthony's party.


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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Turnbull] #837336
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Good analysis TB.


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Originally Posted By: olivant
I'm watching GFII this weekend. Michael's son celebrates his communion in Tahoe. Michael leaves Tahoe and goes to meet Ross in Florida. He then leaves Florida and goes to New York to meet with Pentangeli. When he gets there, there's a considerable amount of snow on the ground and everyone is bundled up.

Now, communion's take place around Easter which can take place as early as late March (mine was in May). Of course, snowfalls in New York can take place in March and April (maybe even in May).

I'm wondering if FFC produced the New York snowfall or if nature did and FFC simply adjusted to it.

I was under the assumption that when mike came back it was in december or something which explained the snowfall. We all know the godfaher movies have a lot of time jumps that arent specified

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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #875641
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I was looking up some quotes and found this GF2 Script link...

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Godfather-Part-II.html

In it, there is a scene where Frankie Pentangeli has a meeting with The Rosato Brothers in a restaurant with a lot of dialogue.

It appears in this script right before Frankie returns home to find Michael waiting for him at the old Corleone house.

This is not the scene where Frankie is strangled at the bar meeting - it is a completely different scene.

Was the scene with Frankie & Carmine Rosato actually shot? Obviously, it was never in the final movie.

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Originally Posted By: Mark
I was looking up some quotes and found this GF2 Script link...

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Godfather-Part-II.html

In it, there is a scene where Frankie Pentangeli has a meeting with The Rosato Brothers in a restaurant with a lot of dialogue.

It appears in this script right before Frankie returns home to find Michael waiting for him at the old Corleone house.

This is not the scene where Frankie is strangled at the bar meeting - it is a completely different scene.

Was the scene with Frankie & Carmine Rosato actually shot? Obviously, it was never in the final movie.


Yes, I'd posted about this years ago. Here's the proof:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/godfather/images/b/ba/Rosatos.jpg


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Re: Part II at 40 [Re: Sonny_Black] #875722
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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Mark
I was looking up some quotes and found this GF2 Script link...

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Godfather-Part-II.html

In it, there is a scene where Frankie Pentangeli has a meeting with The Rosato Brothers in a restaurant with a lot of dialogue.

It appears in this script right before Frankie returns home to find Michael waiting for him at the old Corleone house.

This is not the scene where Frankie is strangled at the bar meeting - it is a completely different scene.

Was the scene with Frankie & Carmine Rosato actually shot? Obviously, it was never in the final movie.


Yes, I'd posted about this years ago. Here's the proof:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/godf...=20101108181354

Thanks, Sonny. Does this footage appear anywhere on any version of anything GF? Or just lost on the cutting room floor forever?

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Originally Posted By: Mark
Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Originally Posted By: Mark
I was looking up some quotes and found this GF2 Script link...

http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Godfather-Part-II.html

In it, there is a scene where Frankie Pentangeli has a meeting with The Rosato Brothers in a restaurant with a lot of dialogue.

It appears in this script right before Frankie returns home to find Michael waiting for him at the old Corleone house.

This is not the scene where Frankie is strangled at the bar meeting - it is a completely different scene.

Was the scene with Frankie & Carmine Rosato actually shot? Obviously, it was never in the final movie.


Yes, I'd posted about this years ago. Here's the proof:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/godf...=20101108181354

Thanks, Sonny. Does this footage appear anywhere on any version of anything GF? Or just lost on the cutting room floor forever?


Lost on the cutting room floor unfortunately. It should have been included as a deleted scene. frown


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