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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #836966
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he is stand up and as tough as they come, and like i said early it says something for the whole group that everything they do gets written about almost instantly where as whens the last time a lucchese or genovese was made and you read about it a day or so later

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Sorry if I disturb the discussion, but since the thread is about Mancuso, a question: why do you think they have been so lenient with him when he got convicted for the Pinzolo hit? After that horrible murder of his wife for futile reasons (for which he unexplainably did only 10 years), how could he avoid a life sentence without turning informant, considering he was a second offender with a murder charge?


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: Vknicks] #836969
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Originally Posted By: Vknicks
whens the last time a lucchese or genovese was made and you read about it a day or so later

Never. The names eventually end up on "member lists," but that's years later. And half the time the Feds get the "making" dates wrong anyway.

For example, there are some stalwarts who actually believe that only a handful of guys were made while the books were closed (1957-1977??). And that's bullshit. The Feds have "made in 1977" next to guys who I know for a fact were made much earlier.

But I just want to add that some very serious and intelligent researchers also believe this (that almost no one was made for twenty years), and I'm in no way trying to insult any of them. A lot of them, like Hairy Knuckles, are close friends of mine.


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: Dwalin2011] #836972
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Originally Posted By: Dwalin2011
Sorry if I disturb the discussion, but since the thread is about Mancuso, a question: why do you think they have been so lenient with him when he got convicted for the Pinzolo hit? After that horrible murder of his wife for futile reasons (for which he unexplainably did only 10 years), how could he avoid a life sentence without turning informant, considering he was a second offender with a murder charge?

New York State Court. Back then you could get forty years for moving small weight (the Rockefeller laws), and be out in ten for killing someone.

That's why people have to understand that there's a difference between law and morality. And it's misunderstood on BOTH sides of the law.


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #836973
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yeah but again they only know what they can read in these books , which granted i read too but i know to take them with a serious grain of salt, if you read Joe Bonnanos book you would think he was a boy scout leader, and from my understanding they were able to make giys to replace people just not expand becuase again I know guys who were made before 77 but it def wasnt when they were kids in the 50s lol

Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: Vknicks] #836975
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Originally Posted By: Vknicks
yeah but again they only know what they can read in these books , which granted i read too but i know to take them with a serious grain of salt, if you read Joe Bonnanos book you would think he was a boy scout leader, and from my understanding they were able to make giys to replace people just not expand becuase again I know guys who were made before 77 but it def wasnt when they were kids in the 50s lol


Lol! Right, like he never made an illegitimate dollar in his life.

Fuck this Mancuso guy. What a scumbag, shooting your wife.

It's not the first time it's happened in mob circles but its still terrible. Poor girl.

Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: BarrettM] #836977
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if you read Joe Bonnanos book you would think he was a boy scout leader


Lol! Right, like he never made an illegitimate dollar in his life.

Very true. In his interview he says the same (I'm a good guy, never committed a crime), then contradicts himself: when asked what's the punishment for having an affair with a family member's wife or daughter, he says:
DEATH!!!
When asked, who has to do it, he says: family members. The journalist asks him: can the betrayed husband participate too? Bonanno says: yeah, if he wants to.


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: Vknicks] #837041
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Frank SalernoA potentially bloody dispute over control of the Bonanno crime family is thankfully still in the diplomatic stage, with the family's imprisoned boss using his nephew as a messenger to try to stifle a crew of rebellious Bonanno members, Gang Land has learned.


Frank is a made guy? Didn't think he would be a bananno..

Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #837044
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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: Yonkers] #837050
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Originally Posted By: Yonkers
Frank is a made guy? Didn't think he would be a bananno..

His cousin tried to get him straightened out across the street, but the guy in Tuckahoe knocked it down.


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #837052
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No kidding?. Yeah he told me about his cousin.

Hope he doesn't look on here. Lol

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Originally Posted By: Yonkers
Yeah he told me about his cousin.

Serious guy. But the guy in Tuckahoe is the Supreme Court in that organization.

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Hope he doesn't look on here. Lol

There are rats walking the streets today and not getting hit. I wouldn't worry about what's written about on an obscure message board lol.


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #837060
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Yeah his cousin does pull serious wait always around the top guy,
usually i can keep up with youPizza but you finally lost me with the guy in Tuckahoe i mean i have a few guesses but not sure lol

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Originally Posted By: Vknicks
Yeah his cousin does pull serious wait always around the top guy,
usually i can keep up with youPizza but you finally lost me with the guy in Tuckahoe i mean i have a few guesses but not sure lol

And where does the top guy live today?

Hint: It's not in Pelham Manor anymore.

Same guy.


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ok thats what i figured but thats surprising because of how close his cousin is with the top guy

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Originally Posted By: Vknicks
ok thats what i figured but thats surprising because of how close his cousin is with the top guy

There was probably a consensus. There's a boss there. But they work as a panel on important decisions like that. And those decisions usually have to be unanimous.

All it takes is one guy who has the boss's ear to say I don't like the kid. There's more jealousy in that life than in any Fortune 500 Company.


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Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #837067
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ok well i figured that as long as were talking about the same cousin lol

Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: pizzaboy] #837089
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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
There are rats walking the streets today and not getting hit. I wouldn't worry about what's written about on an obscure message board lol.


Heck, PB, that's the very argument I've long used for why the local neighborhood guys who happen to have heard something have absolutely no reason to hint or say they know something but not expand any further. shhh wink


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There are rats walking the streets today and not getting hit. I wouldn't worry about what's written about on an obscure message board lol.


Heck, PB, that's the very argument I've long used for why the local neighborhood guys who happen to have heard something have absolutely no reason to hint or say they know something but not expand any further. shhh wink

I know what you mean, Ivy. And not to pat myself on the back, but I've defended you as a researcher and historian ad nauseam over the years. And I've also stated that most of the barroom gossip posted by SOME locals is just that: gossip.

But if you're referring to me, the only way I can explain it is that there's a line that I just won't cross. It's as simple as that. It has nothing to do with fear of reprisal. Some people here know me personally, and for whoever may be reading anonymously, it's honestly not too hard to figure out who I am. I've been more than honest about my 25 years with Local 813, and a bunch of other stuff.

I've been called everything from a dry snitch to a bullshit artist over the years by my critics. When they finally gave up on discrediting my information, they decided to brand me a rat instead. Most recently by this Scarpo fraud who has gotten very chummy with our old pal Cornuto/Mexican Heritage lately. They're men without a country who found each other. And I've forgotten more about that life than either of them will ever know.

I'm no rat. But if I post some innocuous stuff here, most of it's ancient history. And the bottom line is, I never got my finger pricked or took any oath, either. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. And that's that.


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Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I know what you mean, Ivy. And not to pat myself on the back, but I've defended you as a researcher and historian ad nauseam over the years. And I've also stated that most of the barroom gossip posted by SOME locals is just that: gossip.

But if you're referring to me, the only way I can explain it is that there's a line that I just won't cross. It's as simple as that. It has nothing to do with fear of reprisal. Some people here know me personally, and for whoever may be reading anonymously, it's honestly not too hard to figure out who I am. I've been more than honest about my 25 years with Local 813, and a bunch of other stuff.

I've been called everything from a dry snitch to a bullshit artist over the years by my critics. When they finally gave up on discrediting my information, they decided to brand me a rat instead. Most recently by this Scarpo fraud who has gotten very chummy with our old pal Cornuto/Mexican Heritage lately. They're men without a country who found each other. And I've forgotten more about that life than either of them will ever know.

I'm no rat. But if I post some innocuous stuff here, most of it's ancient history. And the bottom line is, I never got my finger pricked or took any oath, either. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. And that's that.


I don't think you fear reprisal. Like you said, we're just posting on an obscure message board. And the fact that I do consider you credible is why I wish you would expound further. Why have "a line" at all? Like you said, you never took an oath and, as far as I know, there's no such thing as internet Omerta. In my opinion, there's nothing any of us can post here that will have any real impact on the actual world or those we talk about. So the more info the merrier, I say. But to each his own I guess.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
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I know what you mean, Ivy. And not to pat myself on the back, but I've defended you as a researcher and historian ad nauseam over the years. And I've also stated that most of the barroom gossip posted by SOME locals is just that: gossip.

But if you're referring to me, the only way I can explain it is that there's a line that I just won't cross. It's as simple as that. It has nothing to do with fear of reprisal. Some people here know me personally, and for whoever may be reading anonymously, it's honestly not too hard to figure out who I am. I've been more than honest about my 25 years with Local 813, and a bunch of other stuff.

I've been called everything from a dry snitch to a bullshit artist over the years by my critics. When they finally gave up on discrediting my information, they decided to brand me a rat instead. Most recently by this Scarpo fraud who has gotten very chummy with our old pal Cornuto/Mexican Heritage lately. They're men without a country who found each other. And I've forgotten more about that life than either of them will ever know.

I'm no rat. But if I post some innocuous stuff here, most of it's ancient history. And the bottom line is, I never got my finger pricked or took any oath, either. I don't pretend to be anything I'm not. And that's that.


I don't think you fear reprisal. Like you said, we're just posting on an obscure message board. And the fact that I do consider you credible is why I wish you would expound further. Why have "a line" at all? Like you said, you never took an oath and, as far as I know, there's no such thing as internet Omerta. In my opinion, there's nothing any of us can post here that will have any real impact on the actual world or those we talk about. So the more info the merrier, I say. But to each his own I guess.


Easier for you to say, than someone in his position.

Besides...If he decides to have a line he doesn't want to cross...who are you to tell him not to have that?

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Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121

Besides...If he decides to have a line he doesn't want to cross...who are you to tell him not to have that?

He is somebody who only makes a friendly suggestion. What kind of position is this: "who do you think you are?" etc

I too would like to know more information, but nobody forces Pizzaboy to tell what he doesn't want to tell, but we have the right to be curious.


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Besides...If he decides to have a line he doesn't want to cross...who are you to tell him not to have that?

He is somebody who only makes a friendly suggestion. What kind of position is this: "who do you think you are?" etc

I too would like to know more information, but nobody forces Pizzaboy to tell what he doesn't want to tell, but we have the right to be curious.


Someone shouldnt tell someone else which lines they should cross, imo

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Being curious about a who a person is is one thing. However when that individual says "I'm not too fond of giving this persons name", that doesn't make it excusable to call the person a fake, a phony, etc etc. Simply for deciding to not share a piece of information with you.

Clearly that isn't the case in this thread, but it's quite obvious what I'm referring to.

Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: domwoods74] #837256
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Bonannos have been one of the most interesting families to discuss recently

I wonder if they will continue these waves of makings and how many guys they have now?

Since the commission probably no longer has those types of meetings, i wonder if anyone is keeping an eye on the number of members...supposedly before...someone had to die before a new member could be induted

Though, i'm sure people lied and had ways around that anyway

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Was mike nose part of the purple gang? He's from eharlem friendly with prisco. I was board did some Google shit on the purple gang came up some old time article guess it was 30 members Leo prisco and that hitmans brother meldish who got hit last year. Said the luchese westside and bonannos took them. Just wondering if nose was there. And I'm gonna go out on a limb that meldish hit was sancsiond by a boss in whatever family he was with. His kid came to the car that's fucked. That guy Arnold was part of the gang to he was a gambino big. Then I came across Ernie boy article he got caught read handed with 17 kilos of dope 80percent raw at 175k a piece to day I'm guessing it about 60 to 100 for a kilo of dope of the Dominicans. I don't know if it's as good as the Italians. It is strange there her I on pipeline dried up guess its cheaper from south american. Sox look good going for the sweep tonight but I'm gonna put on my wizard costum and watch game of thrones.

Re: Is Michael mancuso the real bonnano boss [Re: pmac] #837301
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Originally Posted By: pmac
Was mike nose part of the purple gang?

No

Originally Posted By: pmac
He's from eharlem friendly with prisco.

Ange has close to twenty years on Mancuso. That came much later. Ange's club was in Westchester Square. Mikey had a club by Lehman High School, and he was constantly in Fat Patty's club on Waterbury. It was that proximity that made them somewhat "friendly."

Vinny Basciano was MUCH closer to Prisco than the Nose ever was. If he didn't want his button yesterday, Vinny could have easily been made into the Westside. Ange loved him, so did Joe Sass. And Ange had the juice to trade for him with Fat Patty. But like I said, Vinny wanted his button yesterday.

In a parallel world, Vinny could easily have been a Westside heavyweight in the Bronx. But everything takes longer with the Genovese Family, and he didn't want to wait. I'm sure he thinks about it a lot today, though.


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